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Here's a better idea. Stop publically calling Edward Snowden a traitor, stop trying to pass nonsensical cybersecurity legislation through congress, remove the

Here's a better idea. Stop publically calling Edward Snowden a traitor, stop trying to pass nonsensical cybersecurity legislation through congress, remove the ridiculous ban on working for an intelligence agency if you've smoked Marijuana in the past year, have a quicker and more transparent background investigation process for security clearences, and start winning some goodwill with the developer communities if you want help with political conflicts.

tosseraccount 11y ago
Almost 2/3 of Americans dont like Snowden. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/21/edward-snowden-unpopular-at-home-a-hero-abroad-poll-finds http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/21/edward-snowde... "about 64 percent of Americans familiar with Snowden hold a negative opinion of him" Hillary may be a triangulating politico ; but this one is a no brainer for her ... and any one else who wants to win. While being popular overseas and among net hacktivists, Defending Snowden doesn't play well out in flyover country.
- jqm 11y ago
  It's probably true many people in the US have an unfavorable opinion of Snowden. I would venture most of these also have an even less favorable opinion of Hillary.
  - tosseraccount 11y ago
    A risky venture ... http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.asp...
    - jqm 11y ago
      Ya... that shows W. Bush with over a 50% favorability rating in 2015. In short.. I'm not sure I buy it. Be that as it may, it still shows Hillary viewed unfavorably by more people than not at 43% vs 46%. And to my point, this group probably overlaps significantly with those who hold an unfavorable view of Snowden. And I'm guessing in that intersecting group (people who dislike both), the hatred of Hillary is generally stronger than of Snowden.
  - gremlinsinc 11y ago
    I wouldn't say that-- I know MANY people who applaud what Snowden did... I'd say even a minor majority say 54% -- maybe even more.. (I haven't done any polls or anything)--as for Hillary -- I've always voted democrat, but I'll be writing in Bernie Sanders if she gets the primary vote.
- jMyles 11y ago
  > Hillary may be a triangulating politico ; but this one is a no brainer for her. Well that's exactly the point though, no? Deep, excavatory reform in intelligence (and government generally) - the kind of change that might lead Snowden to be treated with respect - is precisely the motion that requires thought leadership from a statesperson who is ahead of public opinion instead of riding it.
  - tosseraccount 11y ago
    "Thought leadership" I actually like that turn of phrase ... but I"m not holding my breath this election cycle.
  - exabrial 11y ago
    > excavatory reform * excremenatory reform
  - anigbrowl 11y ago
    You won't get to make any reforms if you can't get anyone to invest you with the appropriate authority, though. I don't expect the agenda that politicians aim to implement to line up perfectly with the one they present to garner the votes of the public. Of course this means that I'm fundamentally accepting the idea that politicians are somewhat dishonest by not fully articulating their aims, but since there's a lot of empirical evidence that this is what actually happens I figure it's more effective to exploit rather than bemoan the fact. I don't recall where I read it, but some years ago I came across the good advice that designing for the future is most easily done from being about 20 minutes ahead of the general public - less and your proposals don't look interesting enough, more and they're too hard for people to understand and you won't be able to get a job.
- Veratyr 11y ago
  How do they define "familiar with Snowden"? John Oliver's team interviewed numerous passers by in Times Square in New York and while many of them gave negative opinions, few of them demonstrated knowledge of what he revealed. Many thought he was related to Wikileaks or thought of him solely as "that guy who hurt our national security". When asked about the actual ramifications of Snowden's revelations (how they would feel about "dick pics" being seen by the government), nearly all of them had very negative opinions (which would likely affect their opinion of Snowden). Doesn't really affect Hillary's politics but still, if the media would actually inform the public about his revelations, things may change.
  - tedks 11y ago
    >John Oliver's team interviewed numerous passers by in Times Square in New York Emphasis mine.
    - jqm 11y ago
      How can we surmise the 64% number is probably made up? Well, if we make the assumption that most probably over 50% of people don't know and don't care (about much of anything that doesn't have to do with their direct income) we can immediately see that there isn't 64% left!
- sitkack 11y ago
  I live in fly over country and we fucking love Snowden.
  - tosseraccount 11y ago
    http://thehill.com/policy/technology/250919-poll-only-33-percent-support-snowden-pardon http://thehill.com/policy/technology/250919-poll-only-33-per... Obama says "no". So do all the other polticians as far as I can tell. “If he felt his actions were consistent with civil disobedience, then he should do what those who have taken issue with their own government do: challenge it, speak out, engage in a constructive act of protest, and — importantly — accept the consequences of his actions,” White House counterterrorism adviser Lisa Monaco said. A majority — 53 percent — believes the U.S. should pursue a criminal case against Snowden.

tosseraccount 11y ago

Almost 2/3 of Americans dont like Snowden. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/21/edward-snowden-unpopular-at-home-a-hero-abroad-poll-finds http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/21/edward-snowde... "about 64 percent of Americans familiar with Snowden hold a negative opinion of him" Hillary may be a triangulating politico ; but this one is a no brainer for her ... and any one else who wants to win. While being popular overseas and among net hacktivists, Defending Snowden doesn't play well out in flyover country.

jqm 11y ago
It's probably true many people in the US have an unfavorable opinion of Snowden. I would venture most of these also have an even less favorable opinion of Hillary.
- tosseraccount 11y ago
  A risky venture ... http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.asp...
  - jqm 11y ago
    Ya... that shows W. Bush with over a 50% favorability rating in 2015. In short.. I'm not sure I buy it. Be that as it may, it still shows Hillary viewed unfavorably by more people than not at 43% vs 46%. And to my point, this group probably overlaps significantly with those who hold an unfavorable view of Snowden. And I'm guessing in that intersecting group (people who dislike both), the hatred of Hillary is generally stronger than of Snowden.
- gremlinsinc 11y ago
  I wouldn't say that-- I know MANY people who applaud what Snowden did... I'd say even a minor majority say 54% -- maybe even more.. (I haven't done any polls or anything)--as for Hillary -- I've always voted democrat, but I'll be writing in Bernie Sanders if she gets the primary vote.
jMyles 11y ago
> Hillary may be a triangulating politico ; but this one is a no brainer for her. Well that's exactly the point though, no? Deep, excavatory reform in intelligence (and government generally) - the kind of change that might lead Snowden to be treated with respect - is precisely the motion that requires thought leadership from a statesperson who is ahead of public opinion instead of riding it.
- tosseraccount 11y ago
  "Thought leadership" I actually like that turn of phrase ... but I"m not holding my breath this election cycle.
- exabrial 11y ago
  > excavatory reform * excremenatory reform
- anigbrowl 11y ago
  You won't get to make any reforms if you can't get anyone to invest you with the appropriate authority, though. I don't expect the agenda that politicians aim to implement to line up perfectly with the one they present to garner the votes of the public. Of course this means that I'm fundamentally accepting the idea that politicians are somewhat dishonest by not fully articulating their aims, but since there's a lot of empirical evidence that this is what actually happens I figure it's more effective to exploit rather than bemoan the fact. I don't recall where I read it, but some years ago I came across the good advice that designing for the future is most easily done from being about 20 minutes ahead of the general public - less and your proposals don't look interesting enough, more and they're too hard for people to understand and you won't be able to get a job.
Veratyr 11y ago
How do they define "familiar with Snowden"? John Oliver's team interviewed numerous passers by in Times Square in New York and while many of them gave negative opinions, few of them demonstrated knowledge of what he revealed. Many thought he was related to Wikileaks or thought of him solely as "that guy who hurt our national security". When asked about the actual ramifications of Snowden's revelations (how they would feel about "dick pics" being seen by the government), nearly all of them had very negative opinions (which would likely affect their opinion of Snowden). Doesn't really affect Hillary's politics but still, if the media would actually inform the public about his revelations, things may change.
- tedks 11y ago
  >John Oliver's team interviewed numerous passers by in Times Square in New York Emphasis mine.
  - jqm 11y ago
    How can we surmise the 64% number is probably made up? Well, if we make the assumption that most probably over 50% of people don't know and don't care (about much of anything that doesn't have to do with their direct income) we can immediately see that there isn't 64% left!
sitkack 11y ago
I live in fly over country and we fucking love Snowden.
- tosseraccount 11y ago
  http://thehill.com/policy/technology/250919-poll-only-33-percent-support-snowden-pardon http://thehill.com/policy/technology/250919-poll-only-33-per... Obama says "no". So do all the other polticians as far as I can tell. “If he felt his actions were consistent with civil disobedience, then he should do what those who have taken issue with their own government do: challenge it, speak out, engage in a constructive act of protest, and — importantly — accept the consequences of his actions,” White House counterterrorism adviser Lisa Monaco said. A majority — 53 percent — believes the U.S. should pursue a criminal case against Snowden.