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my opinion is that we wouldn't even be here without developing animal husbandry. In general, mistreated animals do NOT make good food products. Eg, they taste

my opinion is that we wouldn't even be here without developing animal husbandry. In general, mistreated animals do NOT make good food products. Eg, they taste bad, and are tough, and have low yields. I don't think the worlds problems would be solved by us not being opportunistic feeders. If you do, then you are clearly deluded.

codeshaman 11y ago
> by us not being opportunistic feeders. Is that the only description of "us" ? We can be opportunistic feeders, but we can be kind and affectionate towards each other and towards other species. Given the state of our technological development, It's now a matter of choice. We choose to be in a certain way (eg. opportunistic feeders) according to our ideology and system of beliefs. But technically, we don't have to do that anymore. We are now technologically advanced enough to actually be able to make that jump. Or, rather, we are ready to start making that jump and we can improve the technology until we've made it. We have to, in order to evolve to the next level as a species... Surely I'm deluded, but no less than people thinking that having (more) concentration camps for billions of animals is the path to a brighter future.
- throwaway_gfsd 11y ago
  Again, "concentration camp" is not a suitable term for the kind of animal raising I'm talking about. Look up what concentration camps are. Then look up a picture of some healthy cows on a sunny grassy field. Not nearly the same. The vast majority of farmed animals are not mistreated. [But in saying that, I have probably drifted a little from the theme of the article, which is more about factory farming, which I'm not totally on board with] Mistreated animals don't thrive. They don't make a good product. We treat our animals better than some vegans treat other people, despite the fact that we eat them at the end.

codeshaman 11y ago

> by us not being opportunistic feeders. Is that the only description of "us" ? We can be opportunistic feeders, but we can be kind and affectionate towards each other and towards other species. Given the state of our technological development, It's now a matter of choice. We choose to be in a certain way (eg. opportunistic feeders) according to our ideology and system of beliefs. But technically, we don't have to do that anymore. We are now technologically advanced enough to actually be able to make that jump. Or, rather, we are ready to start making that jump and we can improve the technology until we've made it. We have to, in order to evolve to the next level as a species... Surely I'm deluded, but no less than people thinking that having (more) concentration camps for billions of animals is the path to a brighter future.

throwaway_gfsd 11y ago
Again, "concentration camp" is not a suitable term for the kind of animal raising I'm talking about. Look up what concentration camps are. Then look up a picture of some healthy cows on a sunny grassy field. Not nearly the same. The vast majority of farmed animals are not mistreated. [But in saying that, I have probably drifted a little from the theme of the article, which is more about factory farming, which I'm not totally on board with] Mistreated animals don't thrive. They don't make a good product. We treat our animals better than some vegans treat other people, despite the fact that we eat them at the end.