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What makes you say that the profit driven world is ending?

TeMPOraL 11y ago
I'd say it's collapsing on itself. It's trying to optimize people out of the loop, but is not yet able to sustain itself without humans. Nor will the humans lay down and die without giving a fight.
- adventured 11y ago
  Capitalism optimizes people into the loop in fact. It pulls more people into higher standards of living, and produces more jobs for people. We have four billion more people than 50 years ago, and more people have jobs today globally than at any other time in history, and less people are in poverty, and there's more food available for everyone, and famines are almost non-existent, and the infant mortality rate has been drastically reduced, and the global life expectancy keeps rising, and a hundred other things that prove you wrong.
  - beatpanda 11y ago
    "More people have jobs" is a completely meaningless sentence. There is an amount of work that all humans have to do to ensure the survival of themselves and all other humans. If we were doing it right, we would all he doing less work, not more, and we would have some kind of equality of access to the total product of society. Instead, and increasingly, the people doing the hardest work are disconnected from access to the product of their labor or the chance at ever getting access to it.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      As long as anyone has greed and/or desire, your idealistic scenario cannot work.
zobzu 11y ago
Fuck this kind of answer. Perfect capitalism ends up with a perfect world. Perfect socialism too. Or communism. It's the way we corrupt each of them which is the problem, corrupted by people who want power. There's no way we have found of solving that yet. None. So far, that we're still alive seems to be pure luck, and that we make it out alive or not, seems to also be pure luck or bad luck. We certainly ain't helping ourselves all that much.
matt4077 11y ago
The internet deals mostly in intellectual property, where socialism is actually working quite well. Github is essentially a communist marketplace: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

I'd say it's collapsing on itself. It's trying to optimize people out of the loop, but is not yet able to sustain itself without humans. Nor will the humans lay down and die without giving a fight.

adventured 11y ago
Capitalism optimizes people into the loop in fact. It pulls more people into higher standards of living, and produces more jobs for people. We have four billion more people than 50 years ago, and more people have jobs today globally than at any other time in history, and less people are in poverty, and there's more food available for everyone, and famines are almost non-existent, and the infant mortality rate has been drastically reduced, and the global life expectancy keeps rising, and a hundred other things that prove you wrong.
- beatpanda 11y ago
  "More people have jobs" is a completely meaningless sentence. There is an amount of work that all humans have to do to ensure the survival of themselves and all other humans. If we were doing it right, we would all he doing less work, not more, and we would have some kind of equality of access to the total product of society. Instead, and increasingly, the people doing the hardest work are disconnected from access to the product of their labor or the chance at ever getting access to it.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    As long as anyone has greed and/or desire, your idealistic scenario cannot work.

zobzu 11y ago

Fuck this kind of answer. Perfect capitalism ends up with a perfect world. Perfect socialism too. Or communism. It's the way we corrupt each of them which is the problem, corrupted by people who want power. There's no way we have found of solving that yet. None. So far, that we're still alive seems to be pure luck, and that we make it out alive or not, seems to also be pure luck or bad luck. We certainly ain't helping ourselves all that much.

matt4077 11y ago

The internet deals mostly in intellectual property, where socialism is actually working quite well. Github is essentially a communist marketplace: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"