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The youngest person to be cryogenically preserved
- heapcity 11y agoSome might call them zygotes.
- cba9 11y agoI was thinking that myself. Sperm, eggs, embryos - are these not vitrified routinely? Probably they mean youngest legal human, or youngest post-birth vitrification.
- fsloth 11y agoHow much does this cost?
- ASM_god 11y agocosts me about 135 $/month
- listic 11y agoIn this case, probably $80,000. This is Alcor, the most established and expensive option. Their list prices are $80,000 for neuro (brain only), $200,000 for whole body preservation [1] There are various funding options. [2] Cryonics Institute, the other US-based organization, charges $28,000 for full body [3] (they don't offer neuro) Russian KrioRus charges $12,000 for neuro and $36,000 for full body. [4] NB: if the cost seems high, keep in mind that most of the money is supposed to be held in trust for the cryonics patient so that income from principal can pay for long-term storage. [5] History proved that it's the only way to reliably and sustainably finance cyopreservation, potentially indefinitely. I am not affiliated with any cryonics organization, just researching my options. [1] Alcor FAQ: Cost http://www.alcor.org/FAQs/faq01.html#cost http://www.alcor.org/FAQs/faq01.html#cost [2] Alcor: Funding http://www.alcor.org/BecomeMember/sdfunding.htm http://www.alcor.org/BecomeMember/sdfunding.htm [3] Cryonics Institute FAQs: http://www.cryonics.org/about-us/faqs http://www.cryonics.org/about-us/faqs [4] KrioRus: Human cryopreservation http://kriorus.ru/en/Human-cryopreservation http://kriorus.ru/en/Human-cryopreservation [5] Cryonics FAQ by by Ben Best http://www.benbest.com/cryonics/CryoFAQ.html#_IIIG_ http://www.benbest.com/cryonics/CryoFAQ.html#_IIIG_
- cryogospel 11y agocosts me about 135 $/month
- starmanjones 11y ago135/mon
- lewisl9029 11y agoI hope this doesn't count as feeding the trolls, but I found it slightly amusing that some of the replies to your post claiming it costs them $x were marked as [dead] by HN. =)
- xgbi 11y agoSerious question: what's to salvage from the brain of a terminal brain cancer child? This strikes me as a very silly way to preserve a human being. If they really wanted to give their child a "chance" to live a full life, they should have cryogenized her sooner, no? (It might be illegal, though.)
- dahart 11y agoThe serious answer is that resuscitation of cryopreserved humans is not currently possible and has never been done. We have no idea whether anything from the brain or the body is salvageable, nor whether starting sooner or later makes any difference. Perhaps one way to think about it is that cryopreservation is a modern alternative to a grave burial, and the thing most salvaged is the hope and memories in the family and friends of the deceased.
- geographomics 11y agoI agree. Resuscitation seems unlikely, given that the freezing process itself damages the tissues, as well as the degradation that has already happened post-mortem.
- reasonattlm 11y agoThey don't freeze, they vitrify. That's a very big difference. http://www.alcor.org/cryomyths.html#myth2 http://www.alcor.org/cryomyths.html#myth2 We can debate the degree to which cryoprotectant perfuses the brain outside a laboratory test of tissue, but vitrification appears to preserve the fine structure of tissue very well: http://www.brainpreservation.org/competitors/ http://www.brainpreservation.org/competitors/ There is evidence of synaptic preservation in preserved and restored nematodes: http://dx.doi.org/10.1089/rej.2014.1636 http://dx.doi.org/10.1089/rej.2014.1636
- eli_gottlieb 11y agoWell, they resuscitated a nematode. That's... actually worth updating my view of how well they can preserve things. I should go ask people for help interpreting that paper.
- dahart 11y agoIts impossible to imagine how hard it would be to lose a child, but I can imagine why that state of mind makes even the remotest glimmer of hope for reincarnation seem like a good idea. I thought This American Life's episode on cryonics was riveting, educational and fascinating. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/354/mistakes-were-made http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/354/m...
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoHas any living person ever had their heart intentionally stopped, been cryonically frozen, defrosted, and revived? Because if not, then we don't know if it works on people who aren't yet dead. And if we can't do that, what hope do we have for reviving the actually dead? (I'm aware in rare cases people have been massively cooled down and had their heart stopped for operations, but that's not quite the same.)
- tptacek 11y agoNo.
- pen2l 11y agoWhich question was that a 'no' to? (there were two questions in the post you're replying to)
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoPresumably the first.
- philjohn 11y agoThere's also some cases of people who's hearts had stopped after being caught outside in sub-zero temperatures being successfully revived with no adverse effects.
- qohen 11y agoThis isn't cryonics by any stretch, but doctors are seriously looking to put gunshot victims into suspended animation by drastically cooling them down so they can be worked on [0]: When a shooting or stabbing victim goes into cardiac arrest due to massive bleeding, even the most heroic attempts at resuscitation fail 90 percent of the time. But a study to begin this month under the direction of Sam Tisherman and Patrick Kochanek at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Presbyterian Hospital will see if there's a better way: cooling the body after the heart has stopped beating, to the point where all other functioning virtually ceases as well. By putting patients literally into a state of suspended animation—or "emergency preservation," as Tisherman calls it—the surgeons intend to preserve brain functioning long enough to close wounds that would otherwise be fatal. [0] http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-suspended-animation-gunshot-victims-science-death/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-suspe...
- unchocked 11y agoSpoiler: two years old.
- Patronus_Charm 11y agoI can't imagine having to deal with this situation, loss of a child. However, this all seems a bit silly.
- martin-adams 11y agoI find cryogenics such a thought provoking field. If you're going to be frozen after death, you would probably want the restoration process to be fully mature before you are restored. But yet, someone has to go first (outside of shorter frozen trials). But then again, who is to say that the restoration process will take the form of thawing out the brain. An advanced digital scanning technique could imprint the brain image onto an organic robot, thus making it possible to have many copies of the same person. I also find the concept similar to the teleport. You may be the person who goes in, but are you the same person who comes out the other end? Indistinguishable from you, only you are not the observer of your own reality. [Edit: A couple of really obvious grammatical errors]
- tim333 11y ago>someone has to go first Probably there'll be animal experimentation first. Then when Fido's still able to fetch they'll give humans a bash.
- rl3 11y agoThat's assuming humans would be performing the resuscitation, which I doubt. If general intelligence has been solved, it will probably be an AI doing the work.
- martin-adams 11y agoWell there's a scary thought. Sending your loved ones into the future full of machine whose motives may not exactly be the same as ours.
- rl3 11y agoNot saying machines will be running the show, just that they'd likely be handling the logistics of the resuscitation itself. If general intelligence goes sideways and takes over, the probability it'd care about resuscitating preserved humans is extremely low. That said, waking up into some sort of Roko's Basilisk-esque eternal torment would kind of suck.