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There are a number of things I disagree with in this piece. (I will mention that I think trying different approaches to online dating is a great idea in and of
by striking 11y ago
There are a number of things I disagree with in this piece. (I will mention that I think trying different approaches to online dating is a great idea in and of itself. I don't disagree with the app's existence, but rather the way it is being presented here.)
> The mainstream online dating technologies — OkCupid, Match.com, eHarmony — were all founded by men. So it’s no surprise that most popular dating products cater to male user problems.
The first part is true, but the second is non sequitur. I'd also like to ask: what is a "male user problem"? Although the wants of men and and women are somewhat different, I think it's probably a bad idea to paint genders with stereotypes in this way.
> Bumble’s landmark feature is that women must take the initiative on all conversations.
> He is most likely tired of reaching out blindly to women all the time,” she tells me. “Maybe he feels rejected. He feels ignored.”
This sounds very interesting, and good on the founders of the app for trying something new.
> Though she is extremely limited legally in talking about her experience at Tinder — they have since settled out of court — I wonder if her negative experiences there inform her dating theories now. Perhaps as a hint of Bumble’s influence, last week Tinder announced that users could now include details on education and work. [emphasis mine]
The author "wonders" if "perhaps" there is influence from Bumble on Tinder. In other words, this paragraph has no factual standing.
> If you are a male entrepreneur, approaching the problem of online dating from your point of view, the goal would be to provide male users with more women.
This statement seems presumptuous. It's not about males vs. females! It's about new ideas! Past platforms take a traditional view to dating, Bumble likes to change things up, and this is a novel thing. This piece turns a novel concept into gender politics and boils down entire companies to the gender of the person at their helm. Bumble won't succeed just because its founder is a woman: Bumble will succeed because it's a new concept from a different perspective, executed by someone who is smart and has experience. You're erasing Whitney Wolfe and writing "all women", which seems demeaning.
> This isn’t to say that all men approach online dating haphazardly, without goals or specific desires. But [...]
This comment isn't to say that this article is poorly written. But, look at all of the evidence above and think for yourself. (I mentioned another argument to look objective... but never gave it any evidence, so the reader will take my subjective perspective as fact.)
> But with these online dating innovations, the tech industry just might realize what they’ve long been ignoring: women’s experiences matter, too.
No one's ignoring women's experiences. The founders of the mainstream dating apps simply have their market and refuse to pivot because they have shareholders and investors that would rather they not change the model so immediately and drastically. What we have now is a result of a function of market forces rather than a function of gender.
I think the idea behind Bumble is very interesting, and I'm glad there are startups trying something new in the dating scene. I'd actually like to try one of these in due time. But this article just looks... bad. It turns independent, strong, intelligent people into the stereotype of "female entrepreneur".
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago>> If you are a male entrepreneur, approaching the problem of online dating from your point of view, the goal would be to provide male users with more women. >This statement seems presumptuous. It's not about males vs. females! It's about new ideas! Yours is a very generous comment on a highly misandrist statement. The fact that a dating app creator/founder/owner is male doesn't mean that they must therefore have designed the app "to provide males with more women". Even if they are using "online dating" euphemistically to refer to hook-up apps then they're making the classic mistake of assuming females aren't interested in sex and males are solely motivated by acquiring a quantity of it. Sure, subsets of those populations exist that fit the bill but the reverse associations also exist at some level. Does this mean the founders of Bumble want "to provide females with more men" above all else?
- striking 11y agoI also alluded to this with the "male user problem" and with the market forces concept. Women like sex too. I won't call it misandrist for the reasons I don't like being called misogynist. But yes, there are many things wrong with the piece rooted in unintelligible and illogical gender politics. I wish this piece didn't exist, because it makes the world a worse place.