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Run containers on bare metal already [video]

131 points by tdurden 11y ago

craftkiller 11y ago
similar talk by the same guy: http://containersummit.io/events/sf-2015/videos/going-container-native http://containersummit.io/events/sf-2015/videos/going-contai...
myztic 11y ago
Amusing Interview with Bryan Cantrill (regarding his background and he also shares some stories) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XQUciI-Sc#t=06m06s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XQUciI-Sc#t=06m06s Also very informative (about what happened at Sun in the 90s, dtrace, ...) Quite a funny and smart guy ;)
- nemo 11y ago
  This talk of Cantril's was in the same vein, and also really amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc The "don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" bit was fantastic and made all the better by the fact that Oracle was a USENIX sponsor. That's also why this single talk had the disclaimer sidebar.
  - unoti 11y ago
    The section of interest here about "Don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" starts around 33 minutes in.
    - nemo 11y ago
      Oh, yeah, sorry, should have given a timestamp.
dominotw 11y ago
I felt like i was watching a Silicon Valley standup.
- exit 11y ago
  did some moment in particular seem like a tv show to you?
  - Urbanxassassin 11y ago
    The whole thing?
baoha 11y ago
Is this guy high when delivering this talk?
- Everlag 11y ago
  Yes, high on the enjoyment of giving a well prepared talk to a large crowd mixed with the nervousness of putting practice into production. Seriously, this is a fantastic talk.
- muzmath 11y ago
  It was a great talk and his high-energy delivery I think is a well welcomed change of pace compared to many tech conference speakers
staunch 11y ago
Millions of Linux-based OpenVZ containers, across hundreds of hosting companies, have been deployed over the last 10 years. It's the only container technology that gained widespread adoption across the industry. Docker owes a lot of its success to the work the OpenVZ developers (and others) did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ
- olefoo 11y ago
  Having worked with both technologies... ( and a few others including Freebsd jails, xen vms and zones on Solaris) Docker is a distinct improvement on a couple of levels. Quicker to launch if your imageset is local. More tractable command set. Relatively bandwidth efficient.
dmourati 11y ago
Ya, running a public cloud and competing against Amazon, I can see why he has so much angst about VMs. The reality is, the market wants what Amazon is selling and no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that. https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison The funny thing is he almost gets it right at the beginning of the talk about how Docker focused on the developer. That's what made Amazon successful. Who is using Joyent? https://www.joyent.com/about/customers https://www.joyent.com/about/customers
- nrr 11y ago
  > Who is using Joyent? Folks for whom a business relationship with Amazon is not possible because of competitive reasons, for one. Regulatory compliance is another. There're also some big names using Joyent (one of whom is a Fortune 1 company last I heard…) whose policies endorsing third parties are too restrictive to allow their trademarks to be used there.
  - hayksaakian 11y ago
    Would that be walmart? i just googled 'fortune 1' and that was the first result
    - nrr 11y ago
      I actually can't confirm that! What I said in my comment previous ("Fortune 1 company") is exactly what I heard over the course of one of Bryan Cantrill's other talks. That said, though, I'm sure that'd be the intended inference.
      - cthalupa 11y ago
        My understanding is that the bulk of Walmart's compute is run on a private openstack setup, after migrating it off of Rackspace. https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-walmart/ https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-wa...
AlexB138 11y ago
Cantrill is one of my favorite tech speakers. Brilliant guy, and much more down to earth than a lot of others on the circuit, not to mention great energy.
- crudbug 11y ago
  Read my mind !
MCRed 11y ago
Can someone give a TL/DR for this? I don't have 40 minutes to invest and the first few minutes didn't give me the impression it was going to be worthwhile. But I would like to run containers on "Bare metal"... which for me right now means running containers under CoreOS (which is running on the bare metal... so no VMs.)
- dmourati 11y ago
  Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs.
  - jclulow 11y ago
    > Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs (Disclaimer: I sit next to Bryan at Joyent) We chose _SmartOS_, a distribution of illumos -- itself a fork of the last drop of OpenSolaris before Oracle closed the gate. It is emphatically not a BSD, though Solaris has included aspects of at least AT&T UNIX and BSD (amongst other things) in its long and rich heritage.
    - dmourati 11y ago
      Thanks for the correction. I should have gotten that right. I don't think the talk mentioned Illumos at all. EDIT: he did mention Illumos but he was talking really fast.
    - RantyDave 11y ago
      I'm starting to totally love SmartOS. Kudos to you and colleagues.
    - RantyDave 11y ago
      I'm starting to totally love SmartOS. Kudos to you and colleagues.
- sriram_malhar 11y ago
  Solaris/Illumos/SmartOS (Joyent's O/S, Joyent being Cantrill's company that offers a public cloud like AWS), has built-in lightweight containers that have all the right isolation characteristics (esp. security) Docker/CoreOS build upon Linux primitives for isolated name spaces, but security is a problem because of Linux's flawed implementation. But Docker is the flavor of the month, even though it is technically inferior to SmartOS's. So they (Joyent, Cantrill's company) wrapped SmartOS with the docker remote API, so when you do 'docker ps', you see all the VMs in the entire data center. The whole cloud works as one machine.
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doesnotexist 11y ago
Does this guy actually think he's funny? He really fails at humor straight out of the gate. It's hard to even focus on what he's trying to convey because his "humor" is so cringe worthy.
nrr 11y ago
Having watched this talk, I must ask: With the allegory to the Vietnam War by way of Dien Bien Phu, what would be considered the toppling of Saigon by the Viet Cong?
jerrac 11y ago
So, are people doing something like running one container per vm? I have yet to do more that run Docker's whalesay container, but I figured the obvious thing to do is to either use an entire blade with one OS on it, or provision a single, large, vm and run many containers. If anyone feels like sharing, how do you deal with persistent data? Like mysql databases, uploaded files, logs, etc. I'll eventually be googling it, but figured it couldn't hurt to get pointed somewhere by people who have experience. :)
kennysabarese 11y ago
Is it realistic for the mass of Linux admins to switch over to SmartOS? Is fixing Linux containers realistic? This is a serious question. It's a great talk, but how can we apply it apart from becoming a Joyent customer?

131 points by tdurden 11y ago

similar talk by the same guy: http://containersummit.io/events/sf-2015/videos/going-container-native http://containersummit.io/events/sf-2015/videos/going-contai...

myztic 11y ago

Amusing Interview with Bryan Cantrill (regarding his background and he also shares some stories) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XQUciI-Sc#t=06m06s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XQUciI-Sc#t=06m06s Also very informative (about what happened at Sun in the 90s, dtrace, ...) Quite a funny and smart guy ;)

nemo 11y ago
This talk of Cantril's was in the same vein, and also really amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc The "don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" bit was fantastic and made all the better by the fact that Oracle was a USENIX sponsor. That's also why this single talk had the disclaimer sidebar.
- unoti 11y ago
  The section of interest here about "Don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" starts around 33 minutes in.
  - nemo 11y ago
    Oh, yeah, sorry, should have given a timestamp.

dominotw 11y ago

I felt like i was watching a Silicon Valley standup.

exit 11y ago
did some moment in particular seem like a tv show to you?
- Urbanxassassin 11y ago
  The whole thing?

baoha 11y ago

Is this guy high when delivering this talk?

Everlag 11y ago
Yes, high on the enjoyment of giving a well prepared talk to a large crowd mixed with the nervousness of putting practice into production. Seriously, this is a fantastic talk.
muzmath 11y ago
It was a great talk and his high-energy delivery I think is a well welcomed change of pace compared to many tech conference speakers

staunch 11y ago

Millions of Linux-based OpenVZ containers, across hundreds of hosting companies, have been deployed over the last 10 years. It's the only container technology that gained widespread adoption across the industry. Docker owes a lot of its success to the work the OpenVZ developers (and others) did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ

olefoo 11y ago
Having worked with both technologies... ( and a few others including Freebsd jails, xen vms and zones on Solaris) Docker is a distinct improvement on a couple of levels. Quicker to launch if your imageset is local. More tractable command set. Relatively bandwidth efficient.

dmourati 11y ago

Ya, running a public cloud and competing against Amazon, I can see why he has so much angst about VMs. The reality is, the market wants what Amazon is selling and no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that. https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison The funny thing is he almost gets it right at the beginning of the talk about how Docker focused on the developer. That's what made Amazon successful. Who is using Joyent? https://www.joyent.com/about/customers https://www.joyent.com/about/customers

nrr 11y ago
> Who is using Joyent? Folks for whom a business relationship with Amazon is not possible because of competitive reasons, for one. Regulatory compliance is another. There're also some big names using Joyent (one of whom is a Fortune 1 company last I heard…) whose policies endorsing third parties are too restrictive to allow their trademarks to be used there.
- hayksaakian 11y ago
  Would that be walmart? i just googled 'fortune 1' and that was the first result
  - nrr 11y ago
    I actually can't confirm that! What I said in my comment previous ("Fortune 1 company") is exactly what I heard over the course of one of Bryan Cantrill's other talks. That said, though, I'm sure that'd be the intended inference.
    - cthalupa 11y ago
      My understanding is that the bulk of Walmart's compute is run on a private openstack setup, after migrating it off of Rackspace. https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-walmart/ https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-wa...

AlexB138 11y ago

Cantrill is one of my favorite tech speakers. Brilliant guy, and much more down to earth than a lot of others on the circuit, not to mention great energy.

crudbug 11y ago
Read my mind !

MCRed 11y ago

Can someone give a TL/DR for this? I don't have 40 minutes to invest and the first few minutes didn't give me the impression it was going to be worthwhile. But I would like to run containers on "Bare metal"... which for me right now means running containers under CoreOS (which is running on the bare metal... so no VMs.)

dmourati 11y ago
Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs.
- jclulow 11y ago
  > Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs (Disclaimer: I sit next to Bryan at Joyent) We chose _SmartOS_, a distribution of illumos -- itself a fork of the last drop of OpenSolaris before Oracle closed the gate. It is emphatically not a BSD, though Solaris has included aspects of at least AT&T UNIX and BSD (amongst other things) in its long and rich heritage.
  - dmourati 11y ago
    Thanks for the correction. I should have gotten that right. I don't think the talk mentioned Illumos at all. EDIT: he did mention Illumos but he was talking really fast.
  - RantyDave 11y ago
    I'm starting to totally love SmartOS. Kudos to you and colleagues.
  - RantyDave 11y ago
    I'm starting to totally love SmartOS. Kudos to you and colleagues.
sriram_malhar 11y ago
Solaris/Illumos/SmartOS (Joyent's O/S, Joyent being Cantrill's company that offers a public cloud like AWS), has built-in lightweight containers that have all the right isolation characteristics (esp. security) Docker/CoreOS build upon Linux primitives for isolated name spaces, but security is a problem because of Linux's flawed implementation. But Docker is the flavor of the month, even though it is technically inferior to SmartOS's. So they (Joyent, Cantrill's company) wrapped SmartOS with the docker remote API, so when you do 'docker ps', you see all the VMs in the entire data center. The whole cloud works as one machine.

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doesnotexist 11y ago

Does this guy actually think he's funny? He really fails at humor straight out of the gate. It's hard to even focus on what he's trying to convey because his "humor" is so cringe worthy.

nrr 11y ago

Having watched this talk, I must ask: With the allegory to the Vietnam War by way of Dien Bien Phu, what would be considered the toppling of Saigon by the Viet Cong?

jerrac 11y ago

So, are people doing something like running one container per vm? I have yet to do more that run Docker's whalesay container, but I figured the obvious thing to do is to either use an entire blade with one OS on it, or provision a single, large, vm and run many containers. If anyone feels like sharing, how do you deal with persistent data? Like mysql databases, uploaded files, logs, etc. I'll eventually be googling it, but figured it couldn't hurt to get pointed somewhere by people who have experience. :)

kennysabarese 11y ago

Is it realistic for the mass of Linux admins to switch over to SmartOS? Is fixing Linux containers realistic? This is a serious question. It's a great talk, but how can we apply it apart from becoming a Joyent customer?