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This is expected response if you follow the American media. There is a very interesting video [0] of Noam Chomsky, after the 9/11 attacks, where he says that a

This is expected response if you follow the American media. There is a very interesting video [0] of Noam Chomsky, after the 9/11 attacks, where he says that any government and regime worth it's salt will use 9/11 as an excuse to push their agenda over the public. And they will do so using their fear. [0] <For the life of me, I couldn't locate the video. Will update the post if I do.>

nickff 11y ago
Perhaps 9/11 allowed the bureaucracy to push its agenda, but it is very clear that it took Bush completely off his plan; Bush campaigned for a less activist foreign policy (which many criticized as being isolationist).
- kr4 11y ago
  You may wish to read this [0] and this [1]. 0: http://rethink911.org/ http://rethink911.org/ 1: http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-islamic-state-isil-that-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/5414735 http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-isl...
- khed 11y ago
  How often do you think a politicians campaign platform represents their actual intentions. You should read about the project for a new american century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... 10 of 25 signing members of PNAC were high level bush administration workers. PNAC was explicitly neoconservative and most definitely wanted to be involved in more wars abroad.
  - nickff 11y ago
    I have come to believe that most politicians believe their platforms and campaign speeches. This may sound difficult to believe given all the doublespeak, contradictions, and fallacies they recite on the campaign trail, but it is the simplest way to explain how they can keep up all these strange ideas while encountering challenging questions, tough situations and dilemmas. It seems to me that just as the NBA is full of (some of) the tallest people in the country, the Congress and White House are full of the people who are most capable of believing whatever they have to at any given moment.
    - fastandfurryous 11y ago
      You're attributing incompetence to what can be easily explained by malice. When that amount of money and power is at stake, there's no room for people who are earnest.
- Double_Cast 11y ago
  IIRC the Bush administration had planned to invade Iraq regardless of 9/11. The US Department of Defense had placed the final documents on Bush's desk (ready for him to sign) 48 hours prior to the fall of the first tower. So really, 9/11 gave Bush a convenient excuse to do what he was going to do anyway. The rationale was that Hussein needed to be replaced. Iraq was too unstable and it might fall to Iran, which would upset the power balance in the middle east. I think Afghanistan was thrown in as an afterthought because, you know, "terrorists".
  - shkkmo 11y ago
    I haven't heard that before. Do you have any sources?
    - Double_Cast 11y ago
      I'm not really an expert so I don't keep links handy. A duckduckgo search of "bush iraq invasion before 9/11" [0] yields: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/ http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/ > (CNN) -- The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes. > "From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-sought-way-to-invade-iraq/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-sought-way-to-invade-iraq/ > He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, 'Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001 > Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth. For reference, the towers fell on Sept 11, 2001. For the rationale my understanding mostly derives from various reddit threads (e.g. [1]), a friend who majored in criminology, and this fantastic overview of Iraq at Wait but Why [2]. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bush+iraq+invasion+before+9%2F11 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bush+iraq+invasion+before+9%2F11 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1lx1s7/oil_played_huge_role_in_the_iraq_warcmv/cc3nlki https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1lx1s7/oil_pl... [2] http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/09/muhammad-isis-iraqs-full-story.html#19 http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/09/muhammad-isis-iraqs-full-story...
marcosdumay 11y ago
We have a name for people that use public fear to push their agenda.
- zappo2938 11y ago
  George W. Bush? There is a word for it too.
- collyw 11y ago
  Politicians?
fraqed 11y ago
Is this the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5r3G7Oy40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5r3G7Oy40

nickff 11y ago

Perhaps 9/11 allowed the bureaucracy to push its agenda, but it is very clear that it took Bush completely off his plan; Bush campaigned for a less activist foreign policy (which many criticized as being isolationist).

kr4 11y ago
You may wish to read this [0] and this [1]. 0: http://rethink911.org/ http://rethink911.org/ 1: http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-islamic-state-isil-that-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/5414735 http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-isl...
khed 11y ago
How often do you think a politicians campaign platform represents their actual intentions. You should read about the project for a new american century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... 10 of 25 signing members of PNAC were high level bush administration workers. PNAC was explicitly neoconservative and most definitely wanted to be involved in more wars abroad.
- nickff 11y ago
  I have come to believe that most politicians believe their platforms and campaign speeches. This may sound difficult to believe given all the doublespeak, contradictions, and fallacies they recite on the campaign trail, but it is the simplest way to explain how they can keep up all these strange ideas while encountering challenging questions, tough situations and dilemmas. It seems to me that just as the NBA is full of (some of) the tallest people in the country, the Congress and White House are full of the people who are most capable of believing whatever they have to at any given moment.
  - fastandfurryous 11y ago
    You're attributing incompetence to what can be easily explained by malice. When that amount of money and power is at stake, there's no room for people who are earnest.
Double_Cast 11y ago
IIRC the Bush administration had planned to invade Iraq regardless of 9/11. The US Department of Defense had placed the final documents on Bush's desk (ready for him to sign) 48 hours prior to the fall of the first tower. So really, 9/11 gave Bush a convenient excuse to do what he was going to do anyway. The rationale was that Hussein needed to be replaced. Iraq was too unstable and it might fall to Iran, which would upset the power balance in the middle east. I think Afghanistan was thrown in as an afterthought because, you know, "terrorists".
- shkkmo 11y ago
  I haven't heard that before. Do you have any sources?
  - Double_Cast 11y ago
    I'm not really an expert so I don't keep links handy. A duckduckgo search of "bush iraq invasion before 9/11" [0] yields: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/ http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/ > (CNN) -- The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes. > "From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-sought-way-to-invade-iraq/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-sought-way-to-invade-iraq/ > He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, 'Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001 > Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth. For reference, the towers fell on Sept 11, 2001. For the rationale my understanding mostly derives from various reddit threads (e.g. [1]), a friend who majored in criminology, and this fantastic overview of Iraq at Wait but Why [2]. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bush+iraq+invasion+before+9%2F11 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bush+iraq+invasion+before+9%2F11 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1lx1s7/oil_played_huge_role_in_the_iraq_warcmv/cc3nlki https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1lx1s7/oil_pl... [2] http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/09/muhammad-isis-iraqs-full-story.html#19 http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/09/muhammad-isis-iraqs-full-story...

marcosdumay 11y ago

We have a name for people that use public fear to push their agenda.

zappo2938 11y ago
George W. Bush? There is a word for it too.
collyw 11y ago
Politicians?

fraqed 11y ago

Is this the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5r3G7Oy40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5r3G7Oy40