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Amnesty? Pressuring employees to "snitch"? Are you kidding me? This is just blatant scapegoating. Your cars cheated on emissions test because you willfully i

by oxryly1 11y ago

Amnesty? Pressuring employees to "snitch"? Are you kidding me? This is just blatant scapegoating. Your cars cheated on emissions test because you willfully ignored a decade of evidence! This is a case of pervasive organizational intent. You saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil, from the top management on down. Even the government regulators participated. This is such bullshit.

eeZi 11y ago
Well, the CEO stepped down and multiple managers were suspended. New management might actually want to know, not find someone to blame.
- kuschku 11y ago
  Exactly. It’s useful to know who of your managers was responsible for what so you can use that in court against them.
MBCook 11y ago
At this point they seem to be simply trying to figure out how all this happened and went on for so long. I don't think I'd take it. The article says you can still be transferred to a different department or given different duties, and they can't insulate you from criminal charges.
- krapp 11y ago
  > At this point they seem to be simply trying to figure out how all this happened and went on for so long. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!"
  - dredmorbius 11y ago
    Your emissions testing reports, sir.
calinet6 11y ago
Organizations are not people. They have a mind of their own, independent of individuals and yet controlled by the autopilot psychology of humans, unless systemically organized otherwise. Things like this happen every day in organizations all over the world, when systems are not understood or willfully guided. It's just that most of them don't make the news—they simply silently eat at productivity and joy of work until a modern joyless inhuman organization is created. Everyone saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil—and it still happens. It's not pervasive organizational intent—it's pervasive organizational chaos.
- oxryly1 11y ago
  > Organizations are not people. They have a mind of their own, independent of individuals and yet controlled by the autopilot psychology of humans, unless systemically organized otherwise. Exactly. > It's not pervasive organizational intent—it's pervasive organizational chaos. Well, in this case the chaos adapted rather optimally to the physics of diesel engines, the regulatory environment, and the emissions testing regime. I'd say it's worthwhile to treat that as intent -- to create incentive to decide how to act intentionally, rather than let chaos and circumstances form your intent.
  - calinet6 11y ago
    Yes, Chaos as in the acceptance of the absence of systems to guide the whole in the correct direction. Chaos and circumstance formed the intent without any single person deciding; classic mob effect. There needs to be a system to prevent that type of thing, and it's often very complex.

by oxryly1 11y ago

eeZi 11y ago

Well, the CEO stepped down and multiple managers were suspended. New management might actually want to know, not find someone to blame.

kuschku 11y ago
Exactly. It’s useful to know who of your managers was responsible for what so you can use that in court against them.

MBCook 11y ago

At this point they seem to be simply trying to figure out how all this happened and went on for so long. I don't think I'd take it. The article says you can still be transferred to a different department or given different duties, and they can't insulate you from criminal charges.

krapp 11y ago
> At this point they seem to be simply trying to figure out how all this happened and went on for so long. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!"
- dredmorbius 11y ago
  Your emissions testing reports, sir.

calinet6 11y ago

Organizations are not people. They have a mind of their own, independent of individuals and yet controlled by the autopilot psychology of humans, unless systemically organized otherwise. Things like this happen every day in organizations all over the world, when systems are not understood or willfully guided. It's just that most of them don't make the news—they simply silently eat at productivity and joy of work until a modern joyless inhuman organization is created. Everyone saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil—and it still happens. It's not pervasive organizational intent—it's pervasive organizational chaos.

oxryly1 11y ago
> Organizations are not people. They have a mind of their own, independent of individuals and yet controlled by the autopilot psychology of humans, unless systemically organized otherwise. Exactly. > It's not pervasive organizational intent—it's pervasive organizational chaos. Well, in this case the chaos adapted rather optimally to the physics of diesel engines, the regulatory environment, and the emissions testing regime. I'd say it's worthwhile to treat that as intent -- to create incentive to decide how to act intentionally, rather than let chaos and circumstances form your intent.
- calinet6 11y ago
  Yes, Chaos as in the acceptance of the absence of systems to guide the whole in the correct direction. Chaos and circumstance formed the intent without any single person deciding; classic mob effect. There needs to be a system to prevent that type of thing, and it's often very complex.