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> Only the iOS webview is allowed to render web content. This is quite shocking. I wonder how a platform with such policies could be universally accepted and p

by twa927 11y ago

> Only the iOS webview is allowed to render web content. This is quite shocking. I wonder how a platform with such policies could be universally accepted and praised by the tech community. Microsoft didn't achieve this level of closedness but become universally hated.

pjmlp 11y ago
Personally I don't have a problem with that. What I think is happening is that the hipster generation that grew with Mac OS X and helped save Apple is just discovering the Apple of yore. The old Apple was quite proprietary, but they needed to sell an history to save the company. So with NextSTEP adoption and increase of UNIX culture at Apple, they tried to cater a picture of standards adoption and welcome feeling to UNIX devs. I value more cool tech than openess, but to each its own.
coldpie 11y ago
There is actually a fair amount of people who do not accept such a policy and use Android instead. Apple's super locked-down ecosystem is why I use Android, despite iOS being (imo) a better OS. You tend not to hear from us because... we don't use iOS.
- 7Z7 11y ago
  >You tend not to hear from us because... we don't use iOS. Seriously? we hear from the non-iOS tech crowd all the time about how locked down iOS is.
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ZenoArrow 11y ago
> "could be universally accepted and praised by the tech community" Apple's reputation in the tech community is very far from being universally accepted and praised.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  The sheer number of backlit white apple logos on display at most tech conferences I've ever visited (ones surrounding open source projects!) would seem to imply otherwise.
  - rocky1138 11y ago
    I am forced to use Mac hardware at work but run Linux as the OS on my Macbook Pro :) Not all of us are hardcore Mac peeps!
  - swiley 11y ago
    I had a Mac before the iPhone came out but after Lion I switched to Linux.
  - ZenoArrow 11y ago
    Mac laptops are useful for web developers as they offer a good blend between open-source development tools (GNU tools, etc...) and commercial tools (Photoshop, etc...). However, if you've not seen any criticism of Apple in the tech community, then Google for it, it won't take long to find critical voices about Apple (and I'm not referring to trolling, well thought out criticism is easy to find too).
jimbokun 11y ago
On one of the Debug[1] podcasts (I can't remember which one now), Don Melton[2] claims the decision to not allow other web rendering engines or Javascript implementations is because they don't know how to allow those and keep iOS secure, and that is the reason behind a lot of limitations enforced in iOS. Apple is certainly more closed than Microsoft ever was. The difference in perception is likely because Apple has never had a monopoly. There are more Android phones than iOS. [1] http://www.imore.com/debug http://www.imore.com/debug [2] http://donmelton.com/about/ http://donmelton.com/about/

by twa927 11y ago

pjmlp 11y ago

Personally I don't have a problem with that. What I think is happening is that the hipster generation that grew with Mac OS X and helped save Apple is just discovering the Apple of yore. The old Apple was quite proprietary, but they needed to sell an history to save the company. So with NextSTEP adoption and increase of UNIX culture at Apple, they tried to cater a picture of standards adoption and welcome feeling to UNIX devs. I value more cool tech than openess, but to each its own.

coldpie 11y ago

There is actually a fair amount of people who do not accept such a policy and use Android instead. Apple's super locked-down ecosystem is why I use Android, despite iOS being (imo) a better OS. You tend not to hear from us because... we don't use iOS.

7Z7 11y ago
>You tend not to hear from us because... we don't use iOS. Seriously? we hear from the non-iOS tech crowd all the time about how locked down iOS is.
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ZenoArrow 11y ago

> "could be universally accepted and praised by the tech community" Apple's reputation in the tech community is very far from being universally accepted and praised.

Karunamon 11y ago
The sheer number of backlit white apple logos on display at most tech conferences I've ever visited (ones surrounding open source projects!) would seem to imply otherwise.
- rocky1138 11y ago
  I am forced to use Mac hardware at work but run Linux as the OS on my Macbook Pro :) Not all of us are hardcore Mac peeps!
- swiley 11y ago
  I had a Mac before the iPhone came out but after Lion I switched to Linux.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  Mac laptops are useful for web developers as they offer a good blend between open-source development tools (GNU tools, etc...) and commercial tools (Photoshop, etc...). However, if you've not seen any criticism of Apple in the tech community, then Google for it, it won't take long to find critical voices about Apple (and I'm not referring to trolling, well thought out criticism is easy to find too).

jimbokun 11y ago

On one of the Debug[1] podcasts (I can't remember which one now), Don Melton[2] claims the decision to not allow other web rendering engines or Javascript implementations is because they don't know how to allow those and keep iOS secure, and that is the reason behind a lot of limitations enforced in iOS. Apple is certainly more closed than Microsoft ever was. The difference in perception is likely because Apple has never had a monopoly. There are more Android phones than iOS. [1] http://www.imore.com/debug http://www.imore.com/debug [2] http://donmelton.com/about/ http://donmelton.com/about/