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I've seen it from Alan Kay's talk 'Is it really "Complex"? Or did we just make it "Complicated"?' [0] Though GH repo is not updated for more than 3 years and m

by trymas 11y ago

I've seen it from Alan Kay's talk 'Is it really "Complex"? Or did we just make it "Complicated"?' [0] Though GH repo is not updated for more than 3 years and maybe it's just my inexperience or I am spoiled, but from lack of proper documentation I have no idea how to setup and use this language? On what platforms does it work? Also looking in the examples, it looks somewhat APL'ish due to use of special characters. How do I type them (and do it quick) on regular laptop? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaX1Smg6pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaX1Smg6pY

TuringTest 11y ago
Thanks for the link. I had problems understanding what Nile was all about from reading the slides, which provide very little in terms of context and explanations. Watching that talk and hearing that Nile is a declarative streaming language from the research group where Bret Victor works, I now understand what are the practical applications of such language.
- sparkie 11y ago
  Here's a more interesting demo of Gezira: http://tinlizzie.org/~bert/Gezira.ogv http://tinlizzie.org/~bert/Gezira.ogv
sparkie 11y ago
Alan Kay talks about Gezira, a library built with Nile (and the motivation for making Nile, althoug Nile is much more general purpose). There's a JS version of Nile/Gezira which was used for Brett Victor's demonstrations, which can be found here [1] The main Nile compiler here is written in Maru, a programming language of Ian Piumata's which is another awesome project on it's own. It's essentially a Lisp where you can define how the evaluator behaves for a given type.[2] The version of Maru used is included in the Nile repo though. It can be built with GCC or MinGW. The compiler translates Nile to either Maru or C code. There's a squeak version which can be found at [3] And also a Haskell vector library which exposes a similar interface to Cairo, but is modeled as Gezira under the hood (used for purely functional image generation). Although this implementation is function based and doesn't really provide a proper streaming abstraction as provided by Nile. [4] [1]: https://github.com/damelang/gezira/tree/master/js https://github.com/damelang/gezira/tree/master/js [2]: http://piumarta.com/software/maru/ http://piumarta.com/software/maru/ [3]: http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages/ http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages/ [4]: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Rasterific https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Rasterific
e12e 11y ago
> Though GH repo is not updated for more than 3 years and maybe it's just my inexperience or I am spoiled, but from lack of proper documentation I have no idea how to setup and use this language? On what platforms does it work? Looks very interesting, it's a bit sad to see things like: https://github.com/damelang/nile/issues/4 https://github.com/damelang/nile/issues/4 Mostly hanging from this summer. I would love it if more of these code dumps from research projects at least included a section on how to get the examples running (and something on requirements, such as which OS it has been tested on, even if that turns out to be "Only tested on DOS 2.1").

by trymas 11y ago

TuringTest 11y ago

Thanks for the link. I had problems understanding what Nile was all about from reading the slides, which provide very little in terms of context and explanations. Watching that talk and hearing that Nile is a declarative streaming language from the research group where Bret Victor works, I now understand what are the practical applications of such language.

sparkie 11y ago
Here's a more interesting demo of Gezira: http://tinlizzie.org/~bert/Gezira.ogv http://tinlizzie.org/~bert/Gezira.ogv

sparkie 11y ago

Alan Kay talks about Gezira, a library built with Nile (and the motivation for making Nile, althoug Nile is much more general purpose). There's a JS version of Nile/Gezira which was used for Brett Victor's demonstrations, which can be found here [1] The main Nile compiler here is written in Maru, a programming language of Ian Piumata's which is another awesome project on it's own. It's essentially a Lisp where you can define how the evaluator behaves for a given type.[2] The version of Maru used is included in the Nile repo though. It can be built with GCC or MinGW. The compiler translates Nile to either Maru or C code. There's a squeak version which can be found at [3] And also a Haskell vector library which exposes a similar interface to Cairo, but is modeled as Gezira under the hood (used for purely functional image generation). Although this implementation is function based and doesn't really provide a proper streaming abstraction as provided by Nile. [4] [1]: https://github.com/damelang/gezira/tree/master/js https://github.com/damelang/gezira/tree/master/js [2]: http://piumarta.com/software/maru/ http://piumarta.com/software/maru/ [3]: http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages/ http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages/ [4]: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Rasterific https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Rasterific

e12e 11y ago

> Though GH repo is not updated for more than 3 years and maybe it's just my inexperience or I am spoiled, but from lack of proper documentation I have no idea how to setup and use this language? On what platforms does it work? Looks very interesting, it's a bit sad to see things like: https://github.com/damelang/nile/issues/4 https://github.com/damelang/nile/issues/4 Mostly hanging from this summer. I would love it if more of these code dumps from research projects at least included a section on how to get the examples running (and something on requirements, such as which OS it has been tested on, even if that turns out to be "Only tested on DOS 2.1").