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Is this good salary for UK?

by message 11y ago

fpp 11y ago
Not at all a good salary - they will most likely get developers that have tried out some of these technologies and they will have to train on the job - people with these skills are sought after (£50K+ outside of London). Guess most important will be your personality profile, math skills and willingness / ability to quickly acquire skills. Problem is that government organisations in the UK (and elsewhere) have to "grade" the post / position they are hiring for. The grade then defines the maximum salary they can pay on permanent positions. Outcome of that is that there are armies of contractors where the posts then can be graded similarly but the pay can be much higher.
jbob2000 11y ago
It's in London, so no.
- oskarth 11y ago
  Presumably you do it for Queen and country.
  - mtgx 11y ago
    Or for the love of spying on others. Whatever works for you. Just be careful who you're spying on. Regular citizens - A-okay. Elites? Big no-no: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/claims-welsh-mi6-spy-who-9957058 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/claims-welsh-mi...
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beaker52 11y ago
Nah, this isn't a good salary, unless you're a junior. You can earn double this if you're a half decent developer with 4/5 years experience and working for a well-known company in London.
tomelders 11y ago
Not for anyone with those skills. As a contractor in London they'd be looking at something between £70k and £150k+. Makes me wonder wether our security services really are recruiting the best they can find, or just the best they can afford.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
  SIS sister Org was pitching people on linked-in recently my mate who is ex MI got one and laughed and joked "not on those poverty wages" The problem is for liberal arts grads civil service wages aren't to bad but its far to low for technical specialists - and a contractor Data scientist can earn more than the PM
  - UK-AL 11y ago
    The PM's salary is artificially low for PR reasons. Many many local government heads earn far more than the PM.
    - spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
      A lot of those figures are not really annual salary the really big figures are skewed by people taking early retirement.
  - ownagefool 11y ago
    The idea that the PM should be earning more than the tech staff doesn't make any sense to me and isn't reflective of the contract market anyway.
foohooblue 11y ago
Actually, the pay band ranges from a Band B to Band C in the civil service. Band B is entry (not junior though) and Band C is just below senior. ~40K for a Band C civil service software developer in London is about average.
aprdm 11y ago
Nope, can barely pay the rent.
maxehmookau 11y ago
Anywhere other than London, it's alright for a mid-level developer. In London, it's awful.
stevejones 11y ago
Despite what everyone is saying here, the median salary in the uk is 26K. 40K puts you in the top 20% of earners. 100k would put you in the top 1%. Although people are quite right in saying that on 40K you probably couldn't pay the rent in London.
TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
Not very intelligent for an Intelligence Service - they'll get people who aren't very good, and/or are looking for a way in to the SIS citadel. The loss of performance/ability is going to cost a lot more than the nominal salary savings.
DanBC 11y ago
There are different advantages. GCHQ / CESG (and probably other services) are ASD-Friendly, especially if you're a mathematician or cryptographer. The pension is okay. There's some job stability.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
  Unfortunately they have cut the FS pension its going to salary average so its not as good as it once was. And it looks like any decent FS pension is going to get taxed after the fact.
chippy 11y ago
There are good benefits from being a government employee aside from the salary especially for the police which I think MI6 would be part of. For example, great pensions and possibly very easy loans.
- robmcm 11y ago
  I think anyone fitting the bill would rather double their pay elsewhere...

Is this good salary for UK?

by message 11y ago

Is this good salary for UK?

fpp 11y ago

Not at all a good salary - they will most likely get developers that have tried out some of these technologies and they will have to train on the job - people with these skills are sought after (£50K+ outside of London). Guess most important will be your personality profile, math skills and willingness / ability to quickly acquire skills. Problem is that government organisations in the UK (and elsewhere) have to "grade" the post / position they are hiring for. The grade then defines the maximum salary they can pay on permanent positions. Outcome of that is that there are armies of contractors where the posts then can be graded similarly but the pay can be much higher.

jbob2000 11y ago

It's in London, so no.

oskarth 11y ago
Presumably you do it for Queen and country.
- mtgx 11y ago
  Or for the love of spying on others. Whatever works for you. Just be careful who you're spying on. Regular citizens - A-okay. Elites? Big no-no: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/claims-welsh-mi6-spy-who-9957058 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/claims-welsh-mi...

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beaker52 11y ago

Nah, this isn't a good salary, unless you're a junior. You can earn double this if you're a half decent developer with 4/5 years experience and working for a well-known company in London.

tomelders 11y ago

Not for anyone with those skills. As a contractor in London they'd be looking at something between £70k and £150k+. Makes me wonder wether our security services really are recruiting the best they can find, or just the best they can afford.

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
SIS sister Org was pitching people on linked-in recently my mate who is ex MI got one and laughed and joked "not on those poverty wages" The problem is for liberal arts grads civil service wages aren't to bad but its far to low for technical specialists - and a contractor Data scientist can earn more than the PM
- UK-AL 11y ago
  The PM's salary is artificially low for PR reasons. Many many local government heads earn far more than the PM.
  - spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
    A lot of those figures are not really annual salary the really big figures are skewed by people taking early retirement.
- ownagefool 11y ago
  The idea that the PM should be earning more than the tech staff doesn't make any sense to me and isn't reflective of the contract market anyway.

foohooblue 11y ago

Actually, the pay band ranges from a Band B to Band C in the civil service. Band B is entry (not junior though) and Band C is just below senior. ~40K for a Band C civil service software developer in London is about average.

aprdm 11y ago

Nope, can barely pay the rent.

maxehmookau 11y ago

Anywhere other than London, it's alright for a mid-level developer. In London, it's awful.

stevejones 11y ago

Despite what everyone is saying here, the median salary in the uk is 26K. 40K puts you in the top 20% of earners. 100k would put you in the top 1%. Although people are quite right in saying that on 40K you probably couldn't pay the rent in London.

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago

Not very intelligent for an Intelligence Service - they'll get people who aren't very good, and/or are looking for a way in to the SIS citadel. The loss of performance/ability is going to cost a lot more than the nominal salary savings.

DanBC 11y ago

There are different advantages. GCHQ / CESG (and probably other services) are ASD-Friendly, especially if you're a mathematician or cryptographer. The pension is okay. There's some job stability.

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
Unfortunately they have cut the FS pension its going to salary average so its not as good as it once was. And it looks like any decent FS pension is going to get taxed after the fact.

chippy 11y ago

There are good benefits from being a government employee aside from the salary especially for the police which I think MI6 would be part of. For example, great pensions and possibly very easy loans.

robmcm 11y ago
I think anyone fitting the bill would rather double their pay elsewhere...