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Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly e

by miclip 11y ago

Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly enforced by Sausalito Police on behalf of residents. There's some great short hikes up there that offer excellent views of the Golden Gate Bridge and headlands. Even google didn't dare go up there: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,263.37h,91.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8AcNzesT4PvEUxpLMGA0DA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,... Granted you can hike up Sunrise trail from the next exit but it's a tough hill for the elderly. Friend of mine got one of those hard to remove stickers put on their car for taking her mother up there. If you ask the city they'll spin crap but confirm that it's open to public when pushed for an answer. If you drive up there guaranteed someone will confront you and the police will show up soon after. Taxpayer funded gated community for the politically connected.

cwyers 11y ago
That's some bullshit. Wow.
wanderingstan 11y ago
Holy cow. Anyone want to organize a mass bike ride or hike there?
- chillingeffect 11y ago
  I would join everyone, but given the stories I'm hearing, I wouldn't feel safe without afirearm ready and California has repealed open carry [ 1 ], so we'll just have to let this one go to the town. [ 1 ] http://www.shouselaw.com/open-carry.html http://www.shouselaw.com/open-carry.html
- stevetursi 11y ago
  There are organized trail races in that area. Whenever I'm in the Bay Area I always look for races there. One of the most spectacular locales I've ever had the pleasure of being at. I'm always in the back of the pack but with those views, I don't mind so much. Example with photos from a race I did there in 2013: http://stevetursi.blogspot.com/2013/09/rr-san-francisco-50-mile-endurance-run.html http://stevetursi.blogspot.com/2013/09/rr-san-francisco-50-m...
pbhjpbhj 11y ago
Isn't it unlawful for the police to stop you under these conditions (peacefully using a public road without any suggestion of criminal activity or intent)? Surprised that no-one would do this with recording equipment and then sue for unlawful arrest or whatever, or have they?
- miclip 11y ago
  When I lived there it irritated me a great deal, not that I minded hiking up the hill but the residents are very aggressive. They'll stop you if you even walking along the road, that kind of thing gets me worked up. I thought about confronting the issue but figured I don't need to waste my time or money on such endeavors.
  - ccvannorman 11y ago
    Welp, I know what I'm doing this weekend. This sounds like fun.
    - eru 11y ago
      For your own sake, I hope you are white. Otherwise, good luck confronting the police!
    - fapjacks 11y ago
      I would fund that project in a split second. Best of luck to you!
at-fates-hands 11y ago
>>> Friend of mine got one of those hard to remove stickers put on their car for taking her mother up there. What did they put on her car?
- miclip 11y ago
  It's a sticker that gets put on your window. They're very hard to remove. http://www.myparkingpermit.com/Parking-Violation-Stickers/No-Parking-Area-Towed-Away/SKU-D-2055.aspx http://www.myparkingpermit.com/Parking-Violation-Stickers/No...
  - themartorana 11y ago
    Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.
    - grecy 11y ago
      In BC people have sued the police and won for "property damage" when the police put chalk on their tires, so I'm pretty sure the same would apply for this sticker.
    - gburt 11y ago
      I'm not a lawyer and definitely not a lawyer in "almost everywhere", but it is surely illegal in almost everywhere with western-style property rights? Especially if it left residue after the fact. On the other hand, who is going to take this to court? These are largely one-off tourists who won't have a vested interest in the matter after tomorrow. People are very possessive about the state of their car's exterior, imagine someone sticking one of these on a high end car. Also, it sounds to me the area is not actually a "no parking" area - it is at least conceivable the court's interpretation would be different if the claim were true. Residents are painting the curbs themselves.
      - hussong 11y ago
        Not a lawyer either, what I've read about street art in Germany is basically: if it leaves residue (physical changes your object) = property damage, if it's easy to remove without a trace = no case. Which is why a lot of street artists swapped the can for painted paper and water-soluble glue. Or, related to cars: hard to remove stickers = property damage, some chalk on the tires or shaving foam on the hood = no case, deal with it.
aurelius12 11y ago
I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though? I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=190&meta_id=22327 http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_... On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association information)" I can't find exhibit R, but the person who sent it appears to be a resident of Wolfback Ridge, leading me to wonder how legit the info is.
- miclip 11y ago
  I have emails from the city saying otherwise, I'll try and dig them up. I believe it's publicly maintained as it was resurfaced along with the rest of the town a couple years back when we lived there. I also doubt the Wolfback Ridge Association paid for the bridge over highway 101 that's exclusive to them. There are radio towers (SFO?) up there but you can access along the fire roads from Tennessee Valley. Edit: Found it, response from Director of Public Works: Not as simple a question as you might think… Short answer is that a portion of Wolfback Ridge Road is publically-maintained. For purposes of hiking, you and anyone else can probably access from the State of California right-of-way (at US 101) to the trails at the top of the pass anytime and not have an issue. Vehicular access is restricted at certain times of the year by Sausalito PD – Fleet Week and the Fourth of July based on lack of parking, lack of adequate circulation and inadequate turn-around. If you want more legal details, let me know – I’m researching the area for a development application anyway…it may take awhile though. They have a point regarding events but if you park where he suggests you'll run into issues.
  - aurelius12 11y ago
    Oh, I'd love to see those emails if you can dig them up, thank you! If I'm confident that it's a public street, I'm going to go hang out on that street.
  - aurelius12 11y ago
    Awesome, thanks!
beachstartup 11y ago
same thing happens at the beaches in malibu (all beaches are public land in california).
asmithmd1 11y ago
The Bing driver was more bold: https://www.bing.com/mapspreview/?&cp=37.848938~-122.49187&lvl=19&dir=152.8653&pi=-26.77914&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=1&form=S00027 https://www.bing.com/mapspreview/?&cp=37.848938~-122.49187&l... What an awesome view
- miclip 11y ago
  Great views. Recommend this hike for the views of Sausalito\Angel Island at the top of Morning Sun, the bridge\city along the way and at the top to Slacker Hill. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8531329,-122.4934891/37.8350429,-122.4895082/@37.8414739,-122.4922119,15z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-122.4961201!2d37.8515294!3s0x808585b248a04837:0x7ce2a881cd40c446!1m0!3e2 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8531329,-122.4934891/37.8...

by miclip 11y ago

cwyers 11y ago

That's some bullshit. Wow.

wanderingstan 11y ago

Holy cow. Anyone want to organize a mass bike ride or hike there?

chillingeffect 11y ago
I would join everyone, but given the stories I'm hearing, I wouldn't feel safe without afirearm ready and California has repealed open carry [ 1 ], so we'll just have to let this one go to the town. [ 1 ] http://www.shouselaw.com/open-carry.html http://www.shouselaw.com/open-carry.html
stevetursi 11y ago
There are organized trail races in that area. Whenever I'm in the Bay Area I always look for races there. One of the most spectacular locales I've ever had the pleasure of being at. I'm always in the back of the pack but with those views, I don't mind so much. Example with photos from a race I did there in 2013: http://stevetursi.blogspot.com/2013/09/rr-san-francisco-50-mile-endurance-run.html http://stevetursi.blogspot.com/2013/09/rr-san-francisco-50-m...

pbhjpbhj 11y ago

Isn't it unlawful for the police to stop you under these conditions (peacefully using a public road without any suggestion of criminal activity or intent)? Surprised that no-one would do this with recording equipment and then sue for unlawful arrest or whatever, or have they?

miclip 11y ago
When I lived there it irritated me a great deal, not that I minded hiking up the hill but the residents are very aggressive. They'll stop you if you even walking along the road, that kind of thing gets me worked up. I thought about confronting the issue but figured I don't need to waste my time or money on such endeavors.
- ccvannorman 11y ago
  Welp, I know what I'm doing this weekend. This sounds like fun.
  - eru 11y ago
    For your own sake, I hope you are white. Otherwise, good luck confronting the police!
  - fapjacks 11y ago
    I would fund that project in a split second. Best of luck to you!

at-fates-hands 11y ago

>>> Friend of mine got one of those hard to remove stickers put on their car for taking her mother up there. What did they put on her car?

miclip 11y ago
It's a sticker that gets put on your window. They're very hard to remove. http://www.myparkingpermit.com/Parking-Violation-Stickers/No-Parking-Area-Towed-Away/SKU-D-2055.aspx http://www.myparkingpermit.com/Parking-Violation-Stickers/No...
- themartorana 11y ago
  Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.
  - grecy 11y ago
    In BC people have sued the police and won for "property damage" when the police put chalk on their tires, so I'm pretty sure the same would apply for this sticker.
  - gburt 11y ago
    I'm not a lawyer and definitely not a lawyer in "almost everywhere", but it is surely illegal in almost everywhere with western-style property rights? Especially if it left residue after the fact. On the other hand, who is going to take this to court? These are largely one-off tourists who won't have a vested interest in the matter after tomorrow. People are very possessive about the state of their car's exterior, imagine someone sticking one of these on a high end car. Also, it sounds to me the area is not actually a "no parking" area - it is at least conceivable the court's interpretation would be different if the claim were true. Residents are painting the curbs themselves.
    - hussong 11y ago
      Not a lawyer either, what I've read about street art in Germany is basically: if it leaves residue (physical changes your object) = property damage, if it's easy to remove without a trace = no case. Which is why a lot of street artists swapped the can for painted paper and water-soluble glue. Or, related to cars: hard to remove stickers = property damage, some chalk on the tires or shaving foam on the hood = no case, deal with it.

aurelius12 11y ago

I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though? I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=190&meta_id=22327 http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_... On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association information)" I can't find exhibit R, but the person who sent it appears to be a resident of Wolfback Ridge, leading me to wonder how legit the info is.

miclip 11y ago
I have emails from the city saying otherwise, I'll try and dig them up. I believe it's publicly maintained as it was resurfaced along with the rest of the town a couple years back when we lived there. I also doubt the Wolfback Ridge Association paid for the bridge over highway 101 that's exclusive to them. There are radio towers (SFO?) up there but you can access along the fire roads from Tennessee Valley. Edit: Found it, response from Director of Public Works: Not as simple a question as you might think… Short answer is that a portion of Wolfback Ridge Road is publically-maintained. For purposes of hiking, you and anyone else can probably access from the State of California right-of-way (at US 101) to the trails at the top of the pass anytime and not have an issue. Vehicular access is restricted at certain times of the year by Sausalito PD – Fleet Week and the Fourth of July based on lack of parking, lack of adequate circulation and inadequate turn-around. If you want more legal details, let me know – I’m researching the area for a development application anyway…it may take awhile though. They have a point regarding events but if you park where he suggests you'll run into issues.
- aurelius12 11y ago
  Oh, I'd love to see those emails if you can dig them up, thank you! If I'm confident that it's a public street, I'm going to go hang out on that street.
- aurelius12 11y ago
  Awesome, thanks!

beachstartup 11y ago

same thing happens at the beaches in malibu (all beaches are public land in california).

asmithmd1 11y ago

The Bing driver was more bold: https://www.bing.com/mapspreview/?&cp=37.848938~-122.49187&lvl=19&dir=152.8653&pi=-26.77914&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=1&form=S00027 https://www.bing.com/mapspreview/?&cp=37.848938~-122.49187&l... What an awesome view

miclip 11y ago
Great views. Recommend this hike for the views of Sausalito\Angel Island at the top of Morning Sun, the bridge\city along the way and at the top to Slacker Hill. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8531329,-122.4934891/37.8350429,-122.4895082/@37.8414739,-122.4922119,15z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-122.4961201!2d37.8515294!3s0x808585b248a04837:0x7ce2a881cd40c446!1m0!3e2 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8531329,-122.4934891/37.8...