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I meant with regard to recruiting, which is what your (new) company is about (again, if I understand correctly :)).

by zerr 11y ago

tptacek 11y ago
I literally lack the ability to form coherent sentences about our business that don't somehow involve how to render a graph of AVR basic blocks in a React web app, is how little we're thinking about how the game interacts with recruiting right now. We are going to get the CTF right, and then work from there to a sustainable recruiting business. We should have done it the other way around, but we didn't. :)
- zerr 11y ago
  I see. So it is kind of classic way - create the community first and make the business out of it later :)
- jon-wood 11y ago
  I adore that you're so up front about that, I'd love to one day be able to follow my passion quite so single mindedly, and leave worrying about how to make money from it until later.
- LoSboccacc 11y ago
  the idea is sound, however this is bungling together as requirements good at programming + good at markets I'm just wondering if and why those kind of people really need a jig :D
  - kasey_junk 11y ago
    I think the recruiting thesis is that all manner of folks might meet that category, but a) they don't know it b) those looking for them can't find them.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    Instead of "good at markets", I interpreted it as "good at understanding complex systems". I never assumed the companies they would contact would be entirely financially based, I think the idea is that if someone can figure this out the should essentially be vetted (after a good in-person meeting) as a good candidate for almost any project you want to throw at them. To me, the stock-market aspect of this seems entirely because it's a large, complex, distributed system that's not entirely theoretical (i.e. has been real-world tested), can be modeled accurately enough in the game, and is complex enough to provide for some real challenging problems. There are likely quite a few candidates that could have been used instead of the stock market, but the stock market might be the ideal one in this case.
djloche 11y ago
The previous articles written by their team give a pretty good insight into it. 1. People just seem to love playing CTF-style programming games 2. People who are successful get put in pool A. 3. if Pool A people have checked the "I am looking for work" on their profile, then the starfighter team matches them up with people that want qualified candidates that will actually be able to do the work. The thesis is that there are qualified people that want/need better work opportunities but traditional hiring processes filter out these people or don't even see them, and that Pool A of Candidates have PreQualified themselves just by playing the CTF. It's like going on to World of Warcraft or EVE Online and hiring the top market traders / economic strategists for a real world position.
- zerr 11y ago
  > but traditional hiring processes filter out these people I was interested if this game replaces the "traditional hiring processes". But if the purpose of this game is to just make first contacts - I suppose the contacted pool of candidates are anyway put in that "traditional hiring processes".
  - kbenson 11y ago
    From a prior discussion, the idea was supposed to be more of a "why vetted you quite well, and we have contacts, so now we can get you a lunch with a CTO" or some facsimile thereof (I doubt you'll talk to the CTO of a Google or Apple class company, but you might talk to someone with similar power to bypass some of the assessment and hiring policies like the CTO of a smaller company).

I meant with regard to recruiting, which is what your (new) company is about (again, if I understand correctly :)).

by zerr 11y ago

I meant with regard to recruiting, which is what your (new) company is about (again, if I understand correctly :)).

I literally lack the ability to form coherent sentences about our business that don't somehow involve how to render a graph of AVR basic blocks in a React web app, is how little we're thinking about how the game interacts with recruiting right now. We are going to get the CTF right, and then work from there to a sustainable recruiting business. We should have done it the other way around, but we didn't. :)

zerr 11y ago
I see. So it is kind of classic way - create the community first and make the business out of it later :)
jon-wood 11y ago
I adore that you're so up front about that, I'd love to one day be able to follow my passion quite so single mindedly, and leave worrying about how to make money from it until later.
LoSboccacc 11y ago
the idea is sound, however this is bungling together as requirements good at programming + good at markets I'm just wondering if and why those kind of people really need a jig :D
- kasey_junk 11y ago
  I think the recruiting thesis is that all manner of folks might meet that category, but a) they don't know it b) those looking for them can't find them.
- kbenson 11y ago
  Instead of "good at markets", I interpreted it as "good at understanding complex systems". I never assumed the companies they would contact would be entirely financially based, I think the idea is that if someone can figure this out the should essentially be vetted (after a good in-person meeting) as a good candidate for almost any project you want to throw at them. To me, the stock-market aspect of this seems entirely because it's a large, complex, distributed system that's not entirely theoretical (i.e. has been real-world tested), can be modeled accurately enough in the game, and is complex enough to provide for some real challenging problems. There are likely quite a few candidates that could have been used instead of the stock market, but the stock market might be the ideal one in this case.

djloche 11y ago

The previous articles written by their team give a pretty good insight into it. 1. People just seem to love playing CTF-style programming games 2. People who are successful get put in pool A. 3. if Pool A people have checked the "I am looking for work" on their profile, then the starfighter team matches them up with people that want qualified candidates that will actually be able to do the work. The thesis is that there are qualified people that want/need better work opportunities but traditional hiring processes filter out these people or don't even see them, and that Pool A of Candidates have PreQualified themselves just by playing the CTF. It's like going on to World of Warcraft or EVE Online and hiring the top market traders / economic strategists for a real world position.

zerr 11y ago
> but traditional hiring processes filter out these people I was interested if this game replaces the "traditional hiring processes". But if the purpose of this game is to just make first contacts - I suppose the contacted pool of candidates are anyway put in that "traditional hiring processes".
- kbenson 11y ago
  From a prior discussion, the idea was supposed to be more of a "why vetted you quite well, and we have contacts, so now we can get you a lunch with a CTO" or some facsimile thereof (I doubt you'll talk to the CTO of a Google or Apple class company, but you might talk to someone with similar power to bypass some of the assessment and hiring policies like the CTO of a smaller company).