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So if you get a traffic ticket or points on your driving license - your run out of town does this also include smiling at white women

zo1 11y ago
>"So if you get a traffic ticket or points on your driving license - your run out of town" That's not what I said. >"does this also include smiling at white women" If people choose to be racist and prevent people from going onto their private property, that's their business as long as they're not physically hurting anyone.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
  You said criminal record - which driving offenses are. And your housing estate is not private property in the same sense your house is - the public highway is the "public highway".
  - zo1 11y ago
    >"You said criminal record - which driving offenses are." I was more referring to the part about "driving people out of town" if they happen to have some minor criminal record (due to a driving offence as you suggest). That's a gross misinterpretation of what I even vaguely suggested. Private people controlling access to their private property isn't the same as "driving" someone out of "town". At least not unless the entire town is owned privately, or most/all of the individual owners in the town decide collectively to "not allow" this individual. But if you're at that level, then they might as well be passing local laws that will affect said individual anyways. >"And your housing estate is not private property in the same sense your house is" I don't live in the US, so please take that phrase with a little bit of interpretation. Where I live, there are very specific laws governing what they call "sectional titles". It's owned cooperatively as far as I'm aware by all the owners of the individual stands. And it is in no way "public" property in that the public has a right to access it.
    - spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
      If you don't live in the US why are you commenting You do know that the USA has had issues in the past with redlining and you said any criminal record. You do know that in the USA in some areas they use driving offenses to disenfranchise Black and other ethnic Voters.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > You said criminal record - which driving offenses are. In many jurisdictions, most moving violations are civil offenses, not criminal offenses; they have only fines and administrative penalties (not imprisonment or loss of protected liberty) as punishment and have only the civil "preponderance of the evidence" standard of proof rather than the criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. But this varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and in some they are minor crimes rather than civil violations.

zo1 11y ago

>"So if you get a traffic ticket or points on your driving license - your run out of town" That's not what I said. >"does this also include smiling at white women" If people choose to be racist and prevent people from going onto their private property, that's their business as long as they're not physically hurting anyone.

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
You said criminal record - which driving offenses are. And your housing estate is not private property in the same sense your house is - the public highway is the "public highway".
- zo1 11y ago
  >"You said criminal record - which driving offenses are." I was more referring to the part about "driving people out of town" if they happen to have some minor criminal record (due to a driving offence as you suggest). That's a gross misinterpretation of what I even vaguely suggested. Private people controlling access to their private property isn't the same as "driving" someone out of "town". At least not unless the entire town is owned privately, or most/all of the individual owners in the town decide collectively to "not allow" this individual. But if you're at that level, then they might as well be passing local laws that will affect said individual anyways. >"And your housing estate is not private property in the same sense your house is" I don't live in the US, so please take that phrase with a little bit of interpretation. Where I live, there are very specific laws governing what they call "sectional titles". It's owned cooperatively as far as I'm aware by all the owners of the individual stands. And it is in no way "public" property in that the public has a right to access it.
  - spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
    If you don't live in the US why are you commenting You do know that the USA has had issues in the past with redlining and you said any criminal record. You do know that in the USA in some areas they use driving offenses to disenfranchise Black and other ethnic Voters.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > You said criminal record - which driving offenses are. In many jurisdictions, most moving violations are civil offenses, not criminal offenses; they have only fines and administrative penalties (not imprisonment or loss of protected liberty) as punishment and have only the civil "preponderance of the evidence" standard of proof rather than the criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. But this varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and in some they are minor crimes rather than civil violations.