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as someone mentioned in the blog comment, Fly Maids site is a complete copy (with redesigned homepage) of another cleaning service http://www.homeaglow.com/ htt

by gondo 11y ago

as someone mentioned in the blog comment, Fly Maids site is a complete copy (with redesigned homepage) of another cleaning service http://www.homeaglow.com/ http://www.homeaglow.com/ @johnsalzarulo out of curiosity, try if your login works on homeaglow.com f.e.: both logos are served from the same S3 bucket: https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/fly_maids.png https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/fly_maids.png https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/homeaglow.png https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/homeaglow.png

phonon 11y ago
It also has the same address/registration number as the one in the privacy policy of http://cleanr.ca/ http://cleanr.ca/ "a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY."
- phonon 11y ago
  Which is in fact "HOMEJOY EUROPE LIMITED"! https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08883585 https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08883585
  - austenallred 11y ago
    So the probably sold the whole company and reincorporated. I almost did a deal exactly like this today.
  - djur 11y ago
    Wild speculation: could they (Homejoy or whoever is liquidating them) be trying to salvage Homejoy's best markets by creating new cookie-cutter brands for each one and then trying to find a buyer?
  - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
    Cleanr can't be "Homejoy Europe Limited", it could be a trading name of them, but in their terms Cleanr say: >"These Terms of Service and any separate agreements whereby we provide you Services shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of 112 Bagot St Toronto Guelph Canada m3k1v6." // That's a pretty specific set of laws!! But it's not then the website of a UK company. FWIW in Europe legislation requires a business to have the business name and address for service on the website. They also use a @gmail.com email address, which is low trust indicator for a business IMO. It might be of note that Cleanr haven't updated their Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/HomeCleanr/ https://www.facebook.com/HomeCleanr/, since April 2015.
mikegirouard 11y ago
I saw your post right after I noticed a broken logo on their booking form. I think this seems to be an interesting lead.
steckerbrett 11y ago
The favicon is also the same, on Fly Maids it links to. https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/homeaglow/img/favicon.ico https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/homeaglow/img/favic... The logo itself is ripped I think, or from stock, there's reverse matches for it from 2014. http://bebeportraits.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/logo.png http://bebeportraits.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/logo.... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8QSBC-8UyqA/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/btgeXG7hkcc/photo.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8QSBC-8UyqA/AAAAAAAAAAI/A... http://houseofsakeenah.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/paypal.png http://houseofsakeenah.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/pay... https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/43a24e847abce572f34bf5e1af522838?s=100&d=monsterid&r=g https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/43a24e847abce572f34bf5e1af5228...
codezero 11y ago
Yep, also using the same Mixpanel ID and Google Analytics ID, which could be because of copying the entire thing, or because they're the same company, signs point to same company since they have assets with different company names in the same S3 bucket though!
johnsalzarulo 11y ago
When I entered my email into homeaglow it didn't work. It said I had the wrong password. BUT when I entered in the password reset box I got a password reset email from support@flymaids.com. They are unmistakably connected somehow.
- stevesearer 11y ago
  Perhaps homeaglow is just a prelaunch version of flymaids? Line maybe they were creating the brand around homeaglow, then switched at some point to flymaids and just never wound down the first site?
phonon 11y ago
Also interesting, the homeaglow.com zendesk account (now shut down) has all its entries created by "AJ Hung" https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Fhomeaglow.zendesk.com%2F https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Fhomeag... (look at the cached pages). One of the first employees of Homejoy was Daniel Hung https://twitter.com/danhung https://twitter.com/danhung Anyone want to tweet him and ask? :-)
- freework 11y ago
  This is a total nitpick, but I was actually Homejoy's first engineer. I was fired after 4 days, and then they hired Dan to replace me. This has no relevance whatsoever, I just thought I'd clarify that one bit :)
  - psykovsky 11y ago
    He dis say "ONE of the first" and not "the first". Unnecessary nitpick, I'll give you that...
odbol 11y ago
It's not an uncommon practice to A/B test your branding, even your brand name. The other wesbite could be targeting a different market, different geography, etc. The point is we just don't know at this point and perhaps we should refrain from doxxing the innocent until proven guilty.
welder 11y ago
Same registration number, office address, etc. > In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Fly Maids, Inc. (doing business as Fly Maids), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808. In the European Union, we are Fly Maids Europe Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY. We will refer to these companies together as "Fly Maids", "we", "us" and/or "our". (http://www.flymaids.com/privacy http://www.flymaids.com/privacy) > In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Homeaglow, Inc. (doing business as Homeaglow), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808. In the European Union, we are Homeaglow Europe Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY. We will refer to these companies together as "Homeaglow", "we", "us" and/or "our". (http://www.homeaglow.com/privacy http://www.homeaglow.com/privacy)
- giarc 11y ago
  This whole ordeal is confusing. So it looks like Aaron Cheung ripped of Handy's website into multiple clones and is running them separately?
qqqqqqqqqqqqqq1 11y ago
Maidayy.com also appears to be the same - the privacy policy is almost an exact word-for-word copy of homeaglow etc, and the site design has a lot in common as well. However, it appears to have been registered as early as march? Their privacy policy appears to be copy-pasted as well: > we are Maidayy LLC (doing business as Maidayy), a Wisconsin company with our head office at ADDRESS, CITY, STATE USA edit: just noticed this heading near the bottom: "Access to Information; Contacting Homejoy:"
synunlimited 11y ago
Interesting that now when you to go to http://www.homeaglow.com/ http://www.homeaglow.com/ you get a Heroku app not found error message.
- gondo 11y ago
  yes, same for http://www.flymaids.com/ http://www.flymaids.com/ looks like they disabled both now

by gondo 11y ago

phonon 11y ago

It also has the same address/registration number as the one in the privacy policy of http://cleanr.ca/ http://cleanr.ca/ "a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY."

phonon 11y ago
Which is in fact "HOMEJOY EUROPE LIMITED"! https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08883585 https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08883585
- austenallred 11y ago
  So the probably sold the whole company and reincorporated. I almost did a deal exactly like this today.
- djur 11y ago
  Wild speculation: could they (Homejoy or whoever is liquidating them) be trying to salvage Homejoy's best markets by creating new cookie-cutter brands for each one and then trying to find a buyer?
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  Cleanr can't be "Homejoy Europe Limited", it could be a trading name of them, but in their terms Cleanr say: >"These Terms of Service and any separate agreements whereby we provide you Services shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of 112 Bagot St Toronto Guelph Canada m3k1v6." // That's a pretty specific set of laws!! But it's not then the website of a UK company. FWIW in Europe legislation requires a business to have the business name and address for service on the website. They also use a @gmail.com email address, which is low trust indicator for a business IMO. It might be of note that Cleanr haven't updated their Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/HomeCleanr/ https://www.facebook.com/HomeCleanr/, since April 2015.

mikegirouard 11y ago

I saw your post right after I noticed a broken logo on their booking form. I think this seems to be an interesting lead.

steckerbrett 11y ago

The favicon is also the same, on Fly Maids it links to. https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/homeaglow/img/favicon.ico https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/homeaglow/img/favic... The logo itself is ripped I think, or from stock, there's reverse matches for it from 2014. http://bebeportraits.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/logo.png http://bebeportraits.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/logo.... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8QSBC-8UyqA/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/btgeXG7hkcc/photo.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8QSBC-8UyqA/AAAAAAAAAAI/A... http://houseofsakeenah.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/paypal.png http://houseofsakeenah.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/pay... https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/43a24e847abce572f34bf5e1af522838?s=100&d=monsterid&r=g https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/43a24e847abce572f34bf5e1af5228...

codezero 11y ago

Yep, also using the same Mixpanel ID and Google Analytics ID, which could be because of copying the entire thing, or because they're the same company, signs point to same company since they have assets with different company names in the same S3 bucket though!

johnsalzarulo 11y ago

When I entered my email into homeaglow it didn't work. It said I had the wrong password. BUT when I entered in the password reset box I got a password reset email from support@flymaids.com. They are unmistakably connected somehow.

stevesearer 11y ago
Perhaps homeaglow is just a prelaunch version of flymaids? Line maybe they were creating the brand around homeaglow, then switched at some point to flymaids and just never wound down the first site?

phonon 11y ago

Also interesting, the homeaglow.com zendesk account (now shut down) has all its entries created by "AJ Hung" https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Fhomeaglow.zendesk.com%2F https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Fhomeag... (look at the cached pages). One of the first employees of Homejoy was Daniel Hung https://twitter.com/danhung https://twitter.com/danhung Anyone want to tweet him and ask? :-)

freework 11y ago
This is a total nitpick, but I was actually Homejoy's first engineer. I was fired after 4 days, and then they hired Dan to replace me. This has no relevance whatsoever, I just thought I'd clarify that one bit :)
- psykovsky 11y ago
  He dis say "ONE of the first" and not "the first". Unnecessary nitpick, I'll give you that...

odbol 11y ago

It's not an uncommon practice to A/B test your branding, even your brand name. The other wesbite could be targeting a different market, different geography, etc. The point is we just don't know at this point and perhaps we should refrain from doxxing the innocent until proven guilty.

welder 11y ago

Same registration number, office address, etc. > In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Fly Maids, Inc. (doing business as Fly Maids), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808. In the European Union, we are Fly Maids Europe Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY. We will refer to these companies together as "Fly Maids", "we", "us" and/or "our". (http://www.flymaids.com/privacy http://www.flymaids.com/privacy) > In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Homeaglow, Inc. (doing business as Homeaglow), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808. In the European Union, we are Homeaglow Europe Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales (registration number 8883585) with its registered office address at 14 Whittonditch Road, Ramsbury, Marlborough, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN8 2PY. We will refer to these companies together as "Homeaglow", "we", "us" and/or "our". (http://www.homeaglow.com/privacy http://www.homeaglow.com/privacy)

giarc 11y ago
This whole ordeal is confusing. So it looks like Aaron Cheung ripped of Handy's website into multiple clones and is running them separately?

qqqqqqqqqqqqqq1 11y ago

Maidayy.com also appears to be the same - the privacy policy is almost an exact word-for-word copy of homeaglow etc, and the site design has a lot in common as well. However, it appears to have been registered as early as march? Their privacy policy appears to be copy-pasted as well: > we are Maidayy LLC (doing business as Maidayy), a Wisconsin company with our head office at ADDRESS, CITY, STATE USA edit: just noticed this heading near the bottom: "Access to Information; Contacting Homejoy:"

synunlimited 11y ago

Interesting that now when you to go to http://www.homeaglow.com/ http://www.homeaglow.com/ you get a Heroku app not found error message.

gondo 11y ago
yes, same for http://www.flymaids.com/ http://www.flymaids.com/ looks like they disabled both now