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The difference is that the T450s takes literally 5 seconds todo a battery swap and you can keep using the machine during the time. No downtime, no bureaucracy,

The difference is that the T450s takes literally 5 seconds todo a battery swap and you can keep using the machine during the time. No downtime, no bureaucracy, just go to Amazon and wait 2 days for your battery arrive.

Bud 11y ago
Yes, and because of that, the entire design of the case is compromised, it feels like it's flexing all the time in use, it's far less durable, it contains additional cheap plastic mechanical failure points and extra connectors for said easily-replaceable battery, and all this for a part which, in the normal lifetime of most well-built laptops (aka Macs), will never ever need to be replaced.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  Nothing you said there has described any Thinkpad I've ever owned. Even after they got worse (post-IBM). I've never seen the battery compartment be the source of physical issues. Typically it is the hinges on the LCD that give up or the case cracks in one of the four corners. Mostly the case remains solid and the hardware within blows up.
- oconnore 11y ago
  > all this for a part which, in the normal lifetime of most well-built laptops (aka Macs), will never ever need to be replaced. My laptops last 4-5 years. This battery failure was at 1.5 years. I just replaced mine after 2 years.
- gtk40 11y ago
  I have never experienced that with a T450s. Granted, I use a different Thinkpad day-to-day, but I get my hands on T450s as they're the standard issue where I work.
- jcadam 11y ago
  I refuse to buy a laptop with no user-replaceable battery. I expect to need to replace the tires/brakes on my car, and I expect to replace the battery in my laptop. If you keep your laptops long enough, you'll eventually have to deal with replacing a battery. My two-year old Dell latitude E6530 is solid (and admittedly heavy), with no noticeable flex. It has an easily replaceable battery as well as user-upgradeable RAM! I'd call it a well-made piece of hardware. I expect to replace the battery in the next year or so (the battery is starting to show its age by now, but at least it still works). A bit off-topic: My previous laptop, a C2D Macbook Pro (old enough it had a replaceable battery) developed a swollen battery after 2 years. At the 3 year mark I had to open it up and replace a failed case fan (and a hard drive). Also, the optical drive failed within the first year, as did its warranty replacement. I eventually gave up on that (and removed the drive so it would stop churning incessantly) and bought an external USB drive.
- Daishiman 11y ago
  Your "cheap plastic" is my "case that just gets a little dent when it falls", which in the case of an MB deforms the entire case and probably breaks something in the process.
bluedino 11y ago
T450S is a totally different machine. Use the X1 for your example.
- Daishiman 11y ago
  The difference is that you can buy an X250 that does exactly what I want. What's the Apple equivalent of an X250?
- garrettgrimsley 11y ago
  The X1 battery replacement is still an order of magnitude easier. With the laptop that the author had trouble with you aren't removing the battery, you're swapping the motherboard into a new chassis, which happens to have a battery glued to it.
pbreit 11y ago
Much smarter to optimize for every day use than the 0 or 1 time you replace the battery.
- Daishiman 11y ago
  4 days of battery downtime for replacement is inexcusable. There is no way I can take that time off from being productive. Whereas I can carry a machine that's literally 3 millimiters thicker.
  - morganm 11y ago
    Four days is a long weekend. I personally would welcome a forced vacation. But if 1 piece of machinery really is that critical to your business, you'll have an identical standby ready to go when your primary one eventually craps out. I've decided to let Apple handle inventorying my standby machine. I can walk into an Apple store and 5 minutes later be ready to go again. Then the high resale value of my old machine makes it easy to sell on craigslist.
  - ejdyksen 11y ago
    > There is no way I can take that time off from being productive. But surely you (or your workplace) have a backup plan if your laptop needs service that takes a few days. What would you do if you need a new screen, or a new hard drive, or a new fan... It's not like a laptop repair that takes a few days should be a big shock to anyone who's owned a few laptops (Apple or otherwise). By the way, one of the things that the $500 Joint Venture program gets you at Apple is a loaner computer while your machine is out for service. So that's one option. The other option, which we use at my work, is we have a spare laptop. It gets used for a number of purposes, one of which is a loaner for repairs.
    - dkonofalski 11y ago
      And, more importantly, you only need to pay for Joint Venture once per organization up to a certain number of computers. The article quickly shoots past the fact that their organization (that they admit has 5 laptops) could have easily justified that cost if it was so important for them to avoid downtime of more than 1 day.

Bud 11y ago

Yes, and because of that, the entire design of the case is compromised, it feels like it's flexing all the time in use, it's far less durable, it contains additional cheap plastic mechanical failure points and extra connectors for said easily-replaceable battery, and all this for a part which, in the normal lifetime of most well-built laptops (aka Macs), will never ever need to be replaced.

Someone1234 11y ago
Nothing you said there has described any Thinkpad I've ever owned. Even after they got worse (post-IBM). I've never seen the battery compartment be the source of physical issues. Typically it is the hinges on the LCD that give up or the case cracks in one of the four corners. Mostly the case remains solid and the hardware within blows up.
oconnore 11y ago
> all this for a part which, in the normal lifetime of most well-built laptops (aka Macs), will never ever need to be replaced. My laptops last 4-5 years. This battery failure was at 1.5 years. I just replaced mine after 2 years.
gtk40 11y ago
I have never experienced that with a T450s. Granted, I use a different Thinkpad day-to-day, but I get my hands on T450s as they're the standard issue where I work.
jcadam 11y ago
I refuse to buy a laptop with no user-replaceable battery. I expect to need to replace the tires/brakes on my car, and I expect to replace the battery in my laptop. If you keep your laptops long enough, you'll eventually have to deal with replacing a battery. My two-year old Dell latitude E6530 is solid (and admittedly heavy), with no noticeable flex. It has an easily replaceable battery as well as user-upgradeable RAM! I'd call it a well-made piece of hardware. I expect to replace the battery in the next year or so (the battery is starting to show its age by now, but at least it still works). A bit off-topic: My previous laptop, a C2D Macbook Pro (old enough it had a replaceable battery) developed a swollen battery after 2 years. At the 3 year mark I had to open it up and replace a failed case fan (and a hard drive). Also, the optical drive failed within the first year, as did its warranty replacement. I eventually gave up on that (and removed the drive so it would stop churning incessantly) and bought an external USB drive.
Daishiman 11y ago
Your "cheap plastic" is my "case that just gets a little dent when it falls", which in the case of an MB deforms the entire case and probably breaks something in the process.

bluedino 11y ago

T450S is a totally different machine. Use the X1 for your example.

Daishiman 11y ago
The difference is that you can buy an X250 that does exactly what I want. What's the Apple equivalent of an X250?
garrettgrimsley 11y ago
The X1 battery replacement is still an order of magnitude easier. With the laptop that the author had trouble with you aren't removing the battery, you're swapping the motherboard into a new chassis, which happens to have a battery glued to it.

pbreit 11y ago

Much smarter to optimize for every day use than the 0 or 1 time you replace the battery.

Daishiman 11y ago
4 days of battery downtime for replacement is inexcusable. There is no way I can take that time off from being productive. Whereas I can carry a machine that's literally 3 millimiters thicker.
- morganm 11y ago
  Four days is a long weekend. I personally would welcome a forced vacation. But if 1 piece of machinery really is that critical to your business, you'll have an identical standby ready to go when your primary one eventually craps out. I've decided to let Apple handle inventorying my standby machine. I can walk into an Apple store and 5 minutes later be ready to go again. Then the high resale value of my old machine makes it easy to sell on craigslist.
- ejdyksen 11y ago
  > There is no way I can take that time off from being productive. But surely you (or your workplace) have a backup plan if your laptop needs service that takes a few days. What would you do if you need a new screen, or a new hard drive, or a new fan... It's not like a laptop repair that takes a few days should be a big shock to anyone who's owned a few laptops (Apple or otherwise). By the way, one of the things that the $500 Joint Venture program gets you at Apple is a loaner computer while your machine is out for service. So that's one option. The other option, which we use at my work, is we have a spare laptop. It gets used for a number of purposes, one of which is a loaner for repairs.
  - dkonofalski 11y ago
    And, more importantly, you only need to pay for Joint Venture once per organization up to a certain number of computers. The article quickly shoots past the fact that their organization (that they admit has 5 laptops) could have easily justified that cost if it was so important for them to avoid downtime of more than 1 day.