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Do you happen to know the thresholds at which added sugar become detrimental? I wonder if a tsp a day in my coffee is too much, how about a bubble tea, how abo

Do you happen to know the thresholds at which added sugar become detrimental? I wonder if a tsp a day in my coffee is too much, how about a bubble tea, how about honey nut cheerios once a week etc etc. Without some framework to judge how much is ok we're also left with FUD about any sugar at all.

bsilvereagle 11y ago
A ketogenic diet recommends less than ~30g of carbohydrates a day. A gram of sugar is a gram of carbohydrates. Ketosis is a multifaceted, complex, biological process that depends on many variables. However, it is potentially somewhere to start investigating a 'critical limit' to judge how much sugar can be processed by your body.
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- pierrec 11y ago
  30g of carbohydrates a day seems extremely low. The ketogenic diet is not a general-purpose diet, it's a therapeutic diet used to treat specific medical conditions. Also, sugars are only a specific type of carbs, so carbohydrate intake should not be compared directly to sugar intake.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    > The ketogenic diet is not a general-purpose diet, it's a therapeutic diet used to treat specific medical conditions. https://www.reddit.com/r/keto https://www.reddit.com/r/keto would disagree with you. I myself stay below 20g of carbohydrates per day, and I lose ~3lbs a week on the diet, while eating cheese, meat, and green vegetables. I feel phenomenal, still get to eat food I enjoy, and wouldn't go back to a traditional carbohydrate-heavy diet if I was paid to.
    - cossatot 11y ago
      I don't have any opinions on the diet itself, but if you're losing 3 lbs a week, this means that either you started out very obese or haven't been on the diet for very long. I'm glad it's working for you now but this doesn't necessarily mean that the diet will be the optimal for 10+ years.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        Very true! I started at 200lbs (I'm 5' 6", 32 years old) and cut out soda. That got me down to ~175lbs. Keto is helping me get down to ~150lbs.
        kaitai 11y ago
        And once you're at 150, it's only 50 weeks until you are weightless! No disagreements on keto being useful for many. For those who want to maintain their weight, though, it's not often the right diet. So I'd argue it's not "general-purpose."
        cossatot 11y ago
        That's awesome, I hope it keeps working out for you.
    - nawitus 11y ago
      Since when did the discussion about diet's healthiness turn into weight loss discussion? You can lose 1.36 kg per week on any diet if you restrict calories, for example, but that's not really relevant here.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        > You can lose 1.36 kg per week on any diet if you restrict calories This line gets parroted around here constantly (its just thermodynamics! calories in calories out!), yet more evidence continues to be provided that macronutrient balance matters, as does gut bacteria. EDIT: What if dieting turns out to be as easy as naturally selecting bacteria for the gut that can't break down carbohydrates easily, and selling it as a probiotic pill that replaces you're existing gut bacteria? Wouldn't that be a huge win for public health policy? And before anyone comes in and says that's not possible, check out this women who became obese from a fecal transplant from an overweight donor: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/02/04/Woman-becomes-obese-after-fecal-transplant-from-overweight-donor/1581423067944/ http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/02/04/Woman-becomes-obes...
pierrec 11y ago
I do not know the thresholds at which added sugar becomes detrimental. That limit probably varies wildly with other conditions such as exercise and intake of other nutrients. However, I do know that added sugar is not necessary for a healthy diet. So you don't have an upper limit, but you do have a lower one!
toephu2 11y ago
Sugar is a drug, the more you eat it the more you need to satisfy your "sweet tooth" craving. Honey nut cherrios sounds healthy but look at the sugar content, that stuff is not good for you. I've basically eliminated all unnatural sugars from my diet, and I feel great. I don't eat any sweets at all (natural sugars come from the fruits I eat) . Also caffeine is a drug, drinking coffee everyday isn't good for you. The fact that your drinking it every day means you are already addicted, try going 3 days without it. It builds up your tolerance for caffeine and you need more and more of it to get the effects. Also it's bad for your teeth (stains 'em). I am going to get downvoted for this but seriously, Starbucks has a great business model (get people addicted to coffee, and the profits will keep rolling in for a customer's entire lifetime..much like the tobacco industry back in the day.. luckily caffeine isn't nearly as bad as nicotine)
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  Gonna point out that I drink coffee every day and going without it cold turkey also doesn't affect me. I don't suffer any withdrawal symptoms. > I don't eat any sweets at all (natural sugars come from the fruits I eat) Yes, but the average apple, banana, or orange has a lot of sugar content. Many fruits are also acidic and will mess your teeth up a lot worse than a bit of coffee stain will.
  - toephu2 11y ago
    yes but the difference is manufactured sugar vs real sugar found in nature. Think about all the chemicals and the processes Aspartame goes through to get the effect of "200x" sweeter than sucrose.. that stuff doesn't come free. (same goes for anything labelled "Diet" or "Zero"...wow same great taste and 0 calories? what's the catch?..yeah..it's your health)
    - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
      What're the sources that aspartame consumption in regular amounts is more harmful than fructose sources in regular amounts? Fructose is just a chemical, too, isn't it?

bsilvereagle 11y ago

A ketogenic diet recommends less than ~30g of carbohydrates a day. A gram of sugar is a gram of carbohydrates. Ketosis is a multifaceted, complex, biological process that depends on many variables. However, it is potentially somewhere to start investigating a 'critical limit' to judge how much sugar can be processed by your body.

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pierrec 11y ago
30g of carbohydrates a day seems extremely low. The ketogenic diet is not a general-purpose diet, it's a therapeutic diet used to treat specific medical conditions. Also, sugars are only a specific type of carbs, so carbohydrate intake should not be compared directly to sugar intake.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  > The ketogenic diet is not a general-purpose diet, it's a therapeutic diet used to treat specific medical conditions. https://www.reddit.com/r/keto https://www.reddit.com/r/keto would disagree with you. I myself stay below 20g of carbohydrates per day, and I lose ~3lbs a week on the diet, while eating cheese, meat, and green vegetables. I feel phenomenal, still get to eat food I enjoy, and wouldn't go back to a traditional carbohydrate-heavy diet if I was paid to.
  - cossatot 11y ago
    I don't have any opinions on the diet itself, but if you're losing 3 lbs a week, this means that either you started out very obese or haven't been on the diet for very long. I'm glad it's working for you now but this doesn't necessarily mean that the diet will be the optimal for 10+ years.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      Very true! I started at 200lbs (I'm 5' 6", 32 years old) and cut out soda. That got me down to ~175lbs. Keto is helping me get down to ~150lbs.
      - kaitai 11y ago
        And once you're at 150, it's only 50 weeks until you are weightless! No disagreements on keto being useful for many. For those who want to maintain their weight, though, it's not often the right diet. So I'd argue it's not "general-purpose."
      - cossatot 11y ago
        That's awesome, I hope it keeps working out for you.
  - nawitus 11y ago
    Since when did the discussion about diet's healthiness turn into weight loss discussion? You can lose 1.36 kg per week on any diet if you restrict calories, for example, but that's not really relevant here.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      > You can lose 1.36 kg per week on any diet if you restrict calories This line gets parroted around here constantly (its just thermodynamics! calories in calories out!), yet more evidence continues to be provided that macronutrient balance matters, as does gut bacteria. EDIT: What if dieting turns out to be as easy as naturally selecting bacteria for the gut that can't break down carbohydrates easily, and selling it as a probiotic pill that replaces you're existing gut bacteria? Wouldn't that be a huge win for public health policy? And before anyone comes in and says that's not possible, check out this women who became obese from a fecal transplant from an overweight donor: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/02/04/Woman-becomes-obese-after-fecal-transplant-from-overweight-donor/1581423067944/ http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/02/04/Woman-becomes-obes...

pierrec 11y ago

I do not know the thresholds at which added sugar becomes detrimental. That limit probably varies wildly with other conditions such as exercise and intake of other nutrients. However, I do know that added sugar is not necessary for a healthy diet. So you don't have an upper limit, but you do have a lower one!

toephu2 11y ago

Sugar is a drug, the more you eat it the more you need to satisfy your "sweet tooth" craving. Honey nut cherrios sounds healthy but look at the sugar content, that stuff is not good for you. I've basically eliminated all unnatural sugars from my diet, and I feel great. I don't eat any sweets at all (natural sugars come from the fruits I eat) . Also caffeine is a drug, drinking coffee everyday isn't good for you. The fact that your drinking it every day means you are already addicted, try going 3 days without it. It builds up your tolerance for caffeine and you need more and more of it to get the effects. Also it's bad for your teeth (stains 'em). I am going to get downvoted for this but seriously, Starbucks has a great business model (get people addicted to coffee, and the profits will keep rolling in for a customer's entire lifetime..much like the tobacco industry back in the day.. luckily caffeine isn't nearly as bad as nicotine)

SolaceQuantum 11y ago
Gonna point out that I drink coffee every day and going without it cold turkey also doesn't affect me. I don't suffer any withdrawal symptoms. > I don't eat any sweets at all (natural sugars come from the fruits I eat) Yes, but the average apple, banana, or orange has a lot of sugar content. Many fruits are also acidic and will mess your teeth up a lot worse than a bit of coffee stain will.
- toephu2 11y ago
  yes but the difference is manufactured sugar vs real sugar found in nature. Think about all the chemicals and the processes Aspartame goes through to get the effect of "200x" sweeter than sucrose.. that stuff doesn't come free. (same goes for anything labelled "Diet" or "Zero"...wow same great taste and 0 calories? what's the catch?..yeah..it's your health)
  - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
    What're the sources that aspartame consumption in regular amounts is more harmful than fructose sources in regular amounts? Fructose is just a chemical, too, isn't it?