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What's hilarious about this whole thing is that I have no idea which "side" you are on by your comment. I've seen this exact sentiment expressed about SXSW's de

What's hilarious about this whole thing is that I have no idea which "side" you are on by your comment. I've seen this exact sentiment expressed about SXSW's decision on both /r/KiA and /r/GamerGhazi.

chiaro 11y ago
It's a mistake to think of it as "sides" rather than a small group of people with a persecution complex, and everyone else wishing they'd broaden their perspective a bit.
- Zikes 11y ago
  What's hilarious about this whole thing is that I have no idea which "side" you are on by your comment. I've seen this exact sentiment expressed about SXSW's decision on both /r/KiA and /r/GamerGhazi.
  - chiaro 11y ago
    Haha. But really, it's hard for that group to claim to be the silent, persecuted majority when nearly every major figure in the industry who has spoken about it and nearly every news outlet that has covered it has completely condemned it. The "movement" has even been placeholder villains on Law and Order SVU, and if that isn't the gold standard for general cultural sentiment, I don't know what is.
  - MBCook 11y ago
    I was going to downvote you for just copy and pasting then I realized you were right. The other side could easily misconstrue things and paint my side that way. I'm not convinced about the reverse, but that may be because I'm on my side. People can go pretty far to rationalize things.
- dbg31415 11y ago
  No it really is sides. There are people who enjoy playing video games, and laughing at life. Then there are the SJWs out to shit on every game, and tell you that you're an asshole for laughing at anything. Very clear lines drawn by the second group. The first group generally couldn't care less... it's just when the second group causes there to be more censorship or causes a game to be delayed because they don't want their little feels hurt that the first group takes offense.
kylec 11y ago
I don't know much about GamerGate, but I'm definitely not on the side of people threatening violence.
- Zikes 11y ago
  "I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side." We're on the outside looking in as two horseshoe theory extremist groups duke it out. They both have a lot of valid points, but the value for most of us is just drama and entertainment.
- MBCook 11y ago
  That's kind of the unfortunate thing. Any valid point they have is basically erased by the actions of a few that they (on the whole) refuse to condem and distance themselves from. I'm sure there are tons of people in the 'movement' who don't want any part of the death threats, but their arguments are tainted by association. One side seems to want to simply be, a (hopefully) tiny number on the other side want their lives ruined; and a bunch of other people are caught up with them (based on beliefs, right or wrong, strong or weak) as 'silent majority' justifications and cover for bad actions.
  - chiaro 11y ago
    This video series does a pretty amazing job in describing those two groups and their motivations (the harassers, and those caught up with them): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

chiaro 11y ago

It's a mistake to think of it as "sides" rather than a small group of people with a persecution complex, and everyone else wishing they'd broaden their perspective a bit.

Zikes 11y ago
What's hilarious about this whole thing is that I have no idea which "side" you are on by your comment. I've seen this exact sentiment expressed about SXSW's decision on both /r/KiA and /r/GamerGhazi.
- chiaro 11y ago
  Haha. But really, it's hard for that group to claim to be the silent, persecuted majority when nearly every major figure in the industry who has spoken about it and nearly every news outlet that has covered it has completely condemned it. The "movement" has even been placeholder villains on Law and Order SVU, and if that isn't the gold standard for general cultural sentiment, I don't know what is.
- MBCook 11y ago
  I was going to downvote you for just copy and pasting then I realized you were right. The other side could easily misconstrue things and paint my side that way. I'm not convinced about the reverse, but that may be because I'm on my side. People can go pretty far to rationalize things.
dbg31415 11y ago
No it really is sides. There are people who enjoy playing video games, and laughing at life. Then there are the SJWs out to shit on every game, and tell you that you're an asshole for laughing at anything. Very clear lines drawn by the second group. The first group generally couldn't care less... it's just when the second group causes there to be more censorship or causes a game to be delayed because they don't want their little feels hurt that the first group takes offense.

kylec 11y ago

I don't know much about GamerGate, but I'm definitely not on the side of people threatening violence.

Zikes 11y ago
"I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side." We're on the outside looking in as two horseshoe theory extremist groups duke it out. They both have a lot of valid points, but the value for most of us is just drama and entertainment.
MBCook 11y ago
That's kind of the unfortunate thing. Any valid point they have is basically erased by the actions of a few that they (on the whole) refuse to condem and distance themselves from. I'm sure there are tons of people in the 'movement' who don't want any part of the death threats, but their arguments are tainted by association. One side seems to want to simply be, a (hopefully) tiny number on the other side want their lives ruined; and a bunch of other people are caught up with them (based on beliefs, right or wrong, strong or weak) as 'silent majority' justifications and cover for bad actions.
- chiaro 11y ago
  This video series does a pretty amazing job in describing those two groups and their motivations (the harassers, and those caught up with them): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&list=PLJA_jUddXv...