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Oh, it's much worse than that. These are government-backed loans. If they go into default, the government pays the loan in full, automatically. And the lende

by Frondo 11y ago

Oh, it's much worse than that. These are government-backed loans. If they go into default, the government pays the loan in full, automatically. And the lender can still go after the borrower! After being fully reimbursed for the loan, they keep going after the student who defaulted, who can't get that loan discharged in any but the most extreme circumstances (i.e. can't work and will never be able to again). What a scam.

matwood 11y ago
> These are government-backed loans. If they go into default, the government pays the loan in full, automatically. And the lender can still go after the borrower! Please cite something that explains this fully. The government does back and will pay the loan on default, but then it is the government that attempts to collect. The lender is not getting paid twice. My problem with all the complainers of student debt is that everyone who took that loan knew what they were signing. I'm tired of hearing the sob stories of people who go to an out of state school, do not work, live completely on loans in order to have the 'college experience' and end up 100k in debt. No private lender would ever lend an 18 year old money for that and it is only possible because of government backing to start with. The government wants to recover at least of portion of that money, hence the rules.
- tuckerman 11y ago
  I don't have a citation, but I think they might be referring to the fact that the government sometimes outsources this collection of students loans. E.g., the government backs a Sallie Mae loan, you default, the government pays Sallie Mae, the government wants to collect, the government sells the debt to Sallie Mae to collect it. It's this that gives at least the perception that the originator of the loan has it in their best interest to have at least a portion of their loans go into default, as they can then purchase the debt from the government. Edit: I think some of this has changed post Sallie Mae's split into Naviant and Sallie Mae, but perhaps this perception still exists?
  - dvanduzer 11y ago
    The government always outsources collection. Further, collection is distinct from origination. Underwriting a loan is also distinct from guaranteeing a loan, but none of this speaks to servicing a loan. And even with all that jargon, we still haven't covered what it actually means to own debt.
- ChuckFrank 11y ago
  The government sells the loans out of the gate. Once the loan is complete, and consolidated, they sell them to second and third party loan servicers. Please see the article about the number of times his loan has been sold. And people willingly buy them because they can make a boat load of money of late fees and other penalties, and because they are 'backed' by the government. But to maintain the liquidity of the market, the loans are sold immediately. The government doesn't hold the loans for a day longer than they need to. And from what I understand, the school of the loan, the degree of the loan, the race of the borrower, the home address of the borrower, every available data point all impact the income from the secondary sale of the loan. So it's all already in the marketplace as it is.
  - dvanduzer 11y ago
    Do you know of any specific implications around consolidation itself? Or is it just the simple fact that it's easier to resell one big thing versus four small things?
    - ChuckFrank 11y ago
      Easier to sell, borrower is, to the best of their knowledge, complete and not taking on any new loans. Plus, as mentioned above, it sets the interest rate for all the loans. I'm not sure how often at a more or less favorable rate, and if that's part of the incentive, to consolidate lower interest loans into a large higher interest one. I could definitely see them pushing this at different times, which was also something that came up in the article, that available repayment options were withheld when they were favorable to the banks and servicers.
  - ccoggins 11y ago
    I was extremely annoyed after graduating and consolidating my loans. After a lot of pressure from the financial aid department about consolidating being a good idea, once it was all said and done they just picked the highest interest rate of all the consolidated loans and applied it to the new one. I guess I should have seen that coming but it was a surprise after it felt like the financial aid dept touting it as a good thing. However, I never had trouble regarding the loans being sold to different services. I had mine switch three times and got multiple emails and physical letters. It was a little shocking the first time I logged into my account and my loan was "paid off", but it quickly became apparent what had happened.

by Frondo 11y ago

matwood 11y ago

> These are government-backed loans. If they go into default, the government pays the loan in full, automatically. And the lender can still go after the borrower! Please cite something that explains this fully. The government does back and will pay the loan on default, but then it is the government that attempts to collect. The lender is not getting paid twice. My problem with all the complainers of student debt is that everyone who took that loan knew what they were signing. I'm tired of hearing the sob stories of people who go to an out of state school, do not work, live completely on loans in order to have the 'college experience' and end up 100k in debt. No private lender would ever lend an 18 year old money for that and it is only possible because of government backing to start with. The government wants to recover at least of portion of that money, hence the rules.

tuckerman 11y ago
I don't have a citation, but I think they might be referring to the fact that the government sometimes outsources this collection of students loans. E.g., the government backs a Sallie Mae loan, you default, the government pays Sallie Mae, the government wants to collect, the government sells the debt to Sallie Mae to collect it. It's this that gives at least the perception that the originator of the loan has it in their best interest to have at least a portion of their loans go into default, as they can then purchase the debt from the government. Edit: I think some of this has changed post Sallie Mae's split into Naviant and Sallie Mae, but perhaps this perception still exists?
- dvanduzer 11y ago
  The government always outsources collection. Further, collection is distinct from origination. Underwriting a loan is also distinct from guaranteeing a loan, but none of this speaks to servicing a loan. And even with all that jargon, we still haven't covered what it actually means to own debt.
ChuckFrank 11y ago
The government sells the loans out of the gate. Once the loan is complete, and consolidated, they sell them to second and third party loan servicers. Please see the article about the number of times his loan has been sold. And people willingly buy them because they can make a boat load of money of late fees and other penalties, and because they are 'backed' by the government. But to maintain the liquidity of the market, the loans are sold immediately. The government doesn't hold the loans for a day longer than they need to. And from what I understand, the school of the loan, the degree of the loan, the race of the borrower, the home address of the borrower, every available data point all impact the income from the secondary sale of the loan. So it's all already in the marketplace as it is.
- dvanduzer 11y ago
  Do you know of any specific implications around consolidation itself? Or is it just the simple fact that it's easier to resell one big thing versus four small things?
  - ChuckFrank 11y ago
    Easier to sell, borrower is, to the best of their knowledge, complete and not taking on any new loans. Plus, as mentioned above, it sets the interest rate for all the loans. I'm not sure how often at a more or less favorable rate, and if that's part of the incentive, to consolidate lower interest loans into a large higher interest one. I could definitely see them pushing this at different times, which was also something that came up in the article, that available repayment options were withheld when they were favorable to the banks and servicers.
- ccoggins 11y ago
  I was extremely annoyed after graduating and consolidating my loans. After a lot of pressure from the financial aid department about consolidating being a good idea, once it was all said and done they just picked the highest interest rate of all the consolidated loans and applied it to the new one. I guess I should have seen that coming but it was a surprise after it felt like the financial aid dept touting it as a good thing. However, I never had trouble regarding the loans being sold to different services. I had mine switch three times and got multiple emails and physical letters. It was a little shocking the first time I logged into my account and my loan was "paid off", but it quickly became apparent what had happened.