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Tacit, a CSS Framework Without Classes

56 points by yegor256a 11y ago

taspeotis 11y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271
gkya 11y ago
Oh god, the whole thing could have been a single litte ~500 SLOC SCSS file. But there are about 20 files in the project. It uses DVCS, CI, build automation and package managers. For what's supposed to be a single little SCSS file. Why not just put it into one file and that into RCS and publish a link? And I can tuck the file into my project if I like to... edit: DVCS, not DVSC...
- philjackson 11y ago
  I don't get your RCS argument.
  - gkya 11y ago
    For single files RCS is very very good and simple. A DVCS is good when there are multiple files that are related, and changes happen across them. This project should have been a single tacit.scss somewhere, and in that case, RCS is better than using a DVCS, IMO. I use RCS for example for my Org-mode files, which are a bunch of independent files. Each of them have their own history in their own ,v files. Thus, the changes to my CV does not affect the history of, e.g., my lecture notes.
donum 11y ago
http://yegor256.github.io/tacit/tacit.min.css http://yegor256.github.io/tacit/tacit.min.css This is a fine basic styling file, but I wonder how it is a "Framework". There are no options and no helpers like a grid (except the horizontal navigation which defaults to just that) or error states. Why has it pixel values like 2.16px and 6.3px? It might be a "framework" in the sense of being a good structure to start your work almost from scratch.
camillomiller 11y ago
What's wrong with CSS classes? My mom can understand them (really, I tried) and they certainly pose no problem to the skilled developer. You don't want bootstrap? Then go with one of the dozen easy and scaled down boilerplates you can find. One out of the bunch, that I like for its grid system: skeleton 2.0.
- neya 11y ago
  Thank you for sharing, that looks good!
- nathancahill 11y ago
  Skeleton is awesome. The maintainer has gone away, but there's an effort to fork it and continue the project.
  - camillomiller 11y ago
    What do you mean by "gone away"? He's not maintaining it anymore? He developed the 2.0 version though, didn't he?
    - nathancahill 11y ago
      Yeah, after the 2.0 version he vanished [0]. Issues and pull requests are piling up without response. Here's the (questionable) effort to fork it: https://github.com/SkeletonFramework https://github.com/SkeletonFramework [0] https://github.com/dhg/Skeleton/issues/275 https://github.com/dhg/Skeleton/issues/275
flippant 11y ago
Off-topic: the link is https://github.com/yegor256/tacit?oct https://github.com/yegor256/tacit?oct Is the `oct` url parameter significant or just a typo?
- taspeotis 11y ago
  It beats the duplicate URL detector. OP submitted this link less than a year ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html > If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  It's to work around the HN repeat post filter. This project was posted pretty recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271
everydaypanos 11y ago
I have to say a few years back I really really digged this idea of a "classless society"(lol) and 1. the existence of pseudo helpers like ::before ::after and 2. when used in a project that has no user-html like comments or descriptions made it look like a solid idea too. It turned out a very opinionated and inflexible framework that could not evolve. So although this seems like a great idea I have experienced high complexity and inflexibility in evolving a project – these are worse than the typical class mess that comes with the other approach. I would love it tho if we could decide on a better basic HTML layout for apps using just the basic blocks of html just like we have with documents. now the help section of a website becomes more fun to develop because of the native support of html for text formatting. :)
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56 points by yegor256a 11y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271

gkya 11y ago

Oh god, the whole thing could have been a single litte ~500 SLOC SCSS file. But there are about 20 files in the project. It uses DVCS, CI, build automation and package managers. For what's supposed to be a single little SCSS file. Why not just put it into one file and that into RCS and publish a link? And I can tuck the file into my project if I like to... edit: DVCS, not DVSC...

philjackson 11y ago
I don't get your RCS argument.
- gkya 11y ago
  For single files RCS is very very good and simple. A DVCS is good when there are multiple files that are related, and changes happen across them. This project should have been a single tacit.scss somewhere, and in that case, RCS is better than using a DVCS, IMO. I use RCS for example for my Org-mode files, which are a bunch of independent files. Each of them have their own history in their own ,v files. Thus, the changes to my CV does not affect the history of, e.g., my lecture notes.

donum 11y ago

http://yegor256.github.io/tacit/tacit.min.css http://yegor256.github.io/tacit/tacit.min.css This is a fine basic styling file, but I wonder how it is a "Framework". There are no options and no helpers like a grid (except the horizontal navigation which defaults to just that) or error states. Why has it pixel values like 2.16px and 6.3px? It might be a "framework" in the sense of being a good structure to start your work almost from scratch.

camillomiller 11y ago

What's wrong with CSS classes? My mom can understand them (really, I tried) and they certainly pose no problem to the skilled developer. You don't want bootstrap? Then go with one of the dozen easy and scaled down boilerplates you can find. One out of the bunch, that I like for its grid system: skeleton 2.0.

neya 11y ago
Thank you for sharing, that looks good!
nathancahill 11y ago
Skeleton is awesome. The maintainer has gone away, but there's an effort to fork it and continue the project.
- camillomiller 11y ago
  What do you mean by "gone away"? He's not maintaining it anymore? He developed the 2.0 version though, didn't he?
  - nathancahill 11y ago
    Yeah, after the 2.0 version he vanished [0]. Issues and pull requests are piling up without response. Here's the (questionable) effort to fork it: https://github.com/SkeletonFramework https://github.com/SkeletonFramework [0] https://github.com/dhg/Skeleton/issues/275 https://github.com/dhg/Skeleton/issues/275

flippant 11y ago

Off-topic: the link is https://github.com/yegor256/tacit?oct https://github.com/yegor256/tacit?oct Is the `oct` url parameter significant or just a typo?

taspeotis 11y ago
It beats the duplicate URL detector. OP submitted this link less than a year ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html > If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates.
maxerickson 11y ago
It's to work around the HN repeat post filter. This project was posted pretty recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345271

everydaypanos 11y ago

I have to say a few years back I really really digged this idea of a "classless society"(lol) and 1. the existence of pseudo helpers like ::before ::after and 2. when used in a project that has no user-html like comments or descriptions made it look like a solid idea too. It turned out a very opinionated and inflexible framework that could not evolve. So although this seems like a great idea I have experienced high complexity and inflexibility in evolving a project – these are worse than the typical class mess that comes with the other approach. I would love it tho if we could decide on a better basic HTML layout for apps using just the basic blocks of html just like we have with documents. now the help section of a website becomes more fun to develop because of the native support of html for text formatting. :)

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