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Took a job in Bellevue in April and moved from Philadelphia to Seattle. So far it's a been an interesting experience. I've encountered many people hostile to so

Took a job in Bellevue in April and moved from Philadelphia to Seattle. So far it's a been an interesting experience. I've encountered many people hostile to software engineers in general. A bunch of people immediately ask if I work for Amazon with a hint of disdain after I state my occupation. So it hasn't felt super welcoming so far. I get it, even in some neighborhoods in Philadelphia the same thing is happening. Although to a much lesser extent, but there is tension between locals and newcomers. I was initially sympathetic to the locals, but now it just seems people will complain about the change no matter what. But you have no right to complain about this gentrification when you are operating newly built apartment complexes, charging a premium to tech workers. And then go on to say you have Amazon prime. Screw you, Owen.

hyperbovine 11y ago
Owen is the worst.
theophrastus 11y ago
A brief elaboration on "many people hostile to software engineers in general": the major source of this are the employers who have done a deal with the apartment owners to all but exclude anyone who doesn't work in the tech industry. The apartment owner simply doesn't rent to anyone who doesn't work for Amazon, Microsoft etc[1]. This makes people grumpy at the folks who apparently do the deal with the devil for this advantage. By the bye, there is a difference, at least politically, between Seattle and Bellevue, much like between San Francisco and Oakland [1] http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature/2015/09/09/22831041/heres-how-the-city-could-stop-those-special-move-in-deals-for-tech-workers http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature/2015/09/09/22831041/...
- mattress 11y ago
  Oh, I wasn't aware this was happening. Totally makes sense, although this is not the case in my instance.
- pinewurst 11y ago
  Reading this, the employers have nothing to do with it. The apartment owner/managers are deciding who is a "preferred" tenant on their own and should take the heat rather than some arbitrary employer.
  - codyb 11y ago
    I guess I understand the idea that someone might want to live in a building filled entirely with people in their own industry... but I never liked the idea. They asked me in college "Do you want to live in a building that's composed only of engineers?" No, no I don't. How am I suppose to expand my mind talking only to people who do the same things I do? I'm suppose to sacrifice the expansion of my mind because English majors party or something? And that is the primary reason I'm in NYC now instead of Silicon Valley. Of course there is proximity to family and my love of this city in general, but the main reason is that at the end of the day, I go back to my block in Bushwick and spend hours almost every day just sitting with my Puerto Rican neighbors who have lived vastly different lives from mine. And I love it. The other option would have been to be a in a heavily white and asian male dominated situation with a bunch of people just like me, and i understand the appeal of not having to deal with things that are "different", but for me that's the best part of life. I'm happy to have lived with whites, blacks, latinos, asians, men, women, straight and gay people throughout my life. And I'm much more comfortable in working class neighborhoods than middle and upper class neighborhoods. So to me, it sounds like Seattle has a helluva uphill battle if it has to compete with the likes of entirely tech worker dominated buildings and wants to maintain any sort of culture at all besides whatever uniform culture that situation imposes upon an area.
    - eropple 11y ago
      You've nailed the weirdest thing about tech to me. The insularity is horrible. I had the same question posed to me in college and even then I was like "but...tech people are mostly boring." English majors party? Good. Means I'll get out of the house. I'm lucky in that a lot of my social circle is non-tech right now, but a lot of the keep-to-yourself aspects of Boston's culture don't sit really well with me. I've thought about NYC more and more lately. Might be worth another look, if I can figure out how to generate a client base down there before I make a jump. =)
- steve-howard 11y ago
  The only break I ever got from one of these programs (I work at Microsoft) was that of the various payments required on move-in (fee, refundable deposit, first month's rent) I was exempted from the refundable deposit. I didn't really get why that was the case, because I was still liable for damages, but I'm surprised that there are more aggressive versions of this and I'd agree that even the break I got wasn't really deserved.
- OrwellianChild 11y ago
  This is most likely a form of "credit-check" on the part of the landlords... They see stable, well-paying job, and trust that you'll stick around, pay on time, and generally not be a hassle. Has nothing do do with the apartment owners "sponsoring" employees of a certain company.
washedup 11y ago
people always complain about change! especially old people!
wfo 11y ago
Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame people; if every single new person you meet is a software engineer you get real sick of hearing that real fast. You appear like you're a dime a dozen, because as a software engineer transplant in Seattle you are and to anyone not in tech your work is utterly boring; if you can, try talking about hobbies instead and avoiding talking about work entirely. That might help, but it's definitely an uphill battle in that city. Also everyone hates amazon. So if you don't work there, be outwardly and explicitly proud that you don't -- that's a huge selling point when it comes to making friends. Partly because of the white collar sweatshops (people in seattle generally liberal and pro-labor), partly because of the blue-collar sweatshops, partly because 'large corporation = evil', partly because the countless new techbros with no respect for Seattle culture who spend 11hrs/day at work and don't have time to develop a personality romping around town give it a real bad reputation.
- thieving_magpie 11y ago
  Yeah, I'm not all that concerned with making friends with people that are hostile about my profession. That's so petty. >partly because the countless new techbros with no respect for Seattle culture who spend 11hrs/day at work and don't have time to develop a personality romping around town give it a real bad reputation What does that even mean? I hear this all the time and I honestly have no idea how to "respect Seattle Culture". I'm nice to people and I enjoy everything Seattle has to offer. If you want a pat on the back for living in Seattle longer, sorry. I don't care. I'd also point out that this hasn't been my experience at all. Everyone here has been very nice, welcoming, and helpful. I feel like Seattle natives really sell themselves short. It has been a great experience.
  - devindotcom 11y ago
    I'm glad you're having a good time, but people in central Seattle are sensitive to the fact that the neighborhood that has been a cradle for so much culture is being made into the party district for nearby corporate villages - Amazon being the biggest offender. I have plenty of friends who've worked there (though many leave because it's so horrible) and plenty of friends in tech. It's not the profession, it's the people - they're easy to spot in real life. We don't want your approval - we're the ones who don't care. We want to know you're on the same side of the culture battle we've been losing for the last 5 or 10 years.
drewrv 11y ago
What I find hilarious is that the most hostile people weren't even born in Seattle. John Criscitello has no right to speak on behalf of native Seattleites.
- devindotcom 11y ago
  He only speaks for himself - but a lot of us happen to agree with him.
s73v3r 11y ago
"But you have no right to complain about this gentrification when you are operating newly built apartment complexes, charging a premium to tech workers. And then go on to say you have Amazon prime. Screw you, Owen." Are you saying that it's the people that are opening the apartment complexes that are complaining? Cause otherwise I'd imagine the average resident of the neighborhood isn't running apartment complexes.
ergothus 11y ago
Interesting - I moved from VA (Originally from PA) to Seattle a bit over 3 years ago, and my experience has been pretty different. However, I work downtown and live on Shoreline, which is quite different from Bellevue. I've found Seattle quite friendly to newcomers (Some friends visited and it took 3 days before some stranger didn't cover their drinks when out for dinner), and open and welcoming to me on multiple levels (as a tech person, as a board and RPG gamer, and as a geek in general, not to mention as someone far more socially liberal than Virginia was kind to). That said, I've learned there are a ton of neighborhoods here, each with their own flavor and style, and I've only "known" a few of them. Woodinville is not Freemont is not Bothell is not Bellevue.
- dx211 11y ago
  Fremont is not Bothowoodinredmokirkllevue. But it is basically the same as Ballard.
voxrumor 11y ago
My experience has been eerily similar. Moved to Ballard from South Philly at the beginning of the summer, working in Bellevue. People are so openly hostile I kinda stopped trying to talk to anyone. The "Die techie scum" graffiti all over doesn't really help either. Seattle itself seems pretty nice. Its a shame this forced isolation is just going to lead to even bigger division. Maybe we should hang out?
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- pnathan 11y ago
  I love Seattle, but the people spewing hate against techies gets me down, hard. I haven't really run into hostility outside of the anonymous ranting on reddit and the rude graffiti, etc.
- mattress 11y ago
  Ha, small world. It's strange, because I don't even look like a typical "techbro" as people have been describing in this thread. Work/life balance is incredibly important to me. I have a large beard, my long hair is in a bun, I have tattoos on my arms. I moved to Fremont because the one friend I had here lived there. Shoot me a private message, lets grab a bite or beer sometime.
curiousjorge 11y ago
FUCK OWEN
smithkl42 11y ago
I can't speak to every demographic, but I've lived and worked on the Eastside as a software dev for 15 some years now, and I've never had that reaction from anyone. Far from it, probably a third or better of the households I go to church with, or who my kids go to school with, have at least one engineer in the household, sometimes more. That said, Woodinville and Bellevue are not Capitol Hill, which has a very different vibe. I'm as uncomfortable in that neighborhood as they would be in mine, I expect.
dsp1234 11y ago
An interesting take on how someone really feels about programmers. http://www.movin925.com/2015/08/10/second-date-update-podcast-brogrammers/ http://www.movin925.com/2015/08/10/second-date-update-podcas...
- jekdoce 11y ago
  That was definitely interesting to listen to. Recommend it to others reading this thread. I have personally never met anyone being that passionately dismissive of people working at technology companies. Absurd.
justizin 11y ago
> A bunch of people immediately ask if I work for Amazon with a hint of disdain after I state my occupation. So it hasn't felt super welcoming so far. I moved to San Francisco ten years ago with $700 in my pocket, to stay with a relative, who kicked me out pretty soon because, well, having an adult man stay in your guest room when you are accustomed to pre-teen daughters, even if you really direct your misplaced desire for a son at your broke ass nephew, is hard. I lived for years under the poverty line and basically today, when I meet someone in person, this is exactly my experience. First, some advice I have a hard time taking: Don't let it get to you. Second, get involved with your community. When you detect this disdain, tell people (and mean it, and research why you should), that you are concerned about what is happening to the community and that you are rightfully afraid of the things that you admire in the community being driven out. Find ways to help. I'm sorry, software is not eating the world, Marc Andreesen's brain is eating his soul, there can be utility and benefit to what we do, but working folks who use their hands and muscles and mouths for a living in ways we likely can't imagine are rightly upset about being pushed out. I fucking promise you do not want to be in a city or neighborhood ruled by tech folks. People who moved to SF in the past few years are already facing their rents doubling. You want to know what it's like to live on a third of the salary you make? Start paying exorbitant rent. [I can hear you saying that you already are, wait until it doubles. My rent is currently 5x the inflated mortgage of the house I grew up in.] Who the fuck is Owen?
- pnathan 11y ago
  > You want to know what it's like to live on a third of the salary you make? I've lived paying 70-80% of my income to rent. That was unpleasant and not sustainable. My conclusion was this: own a house that you can afford.
cossatot 11y ago
I moved here a year ago and have found it to be extremely welcoming. But I'm in science, not tech qua tech. I have made most of my new friends through outdoors, particularly whitewater kayaking. The whitewater community here is vibrant and much preferable to other whitewater hotspots because there are few lifestyle/dudebro boaters and lots of people have interesting jobs or other hobbies and are smart and conversant. I'm also married which is better--I definitely wouldn't want to date here, although there seem to be a lot of girls in science and the outdoors. I will have to say, though, that as much as I love it here, I definitely don't see it as a particularly soulful city. But I'm from the Ozarks, which while not really diverse still has a lot of music and art. Especially the music: People literally sit on their porches playing music, and you can come up and join them, chat them up, whatever. The boundary between music producer and consumer in the Ozarks/South is a wide spectrum with most people somewhere on it, instead of it being a hard line with most squarely on the consumer side (as in Seattle, supposedly a musical place). But there are still fun, artsy and 'gritty' events in Seattle. The Fremont Soltice festival/ naked bike ride was super fun to ride in. The Deadbaby Downhill in Georgetown was crazy. But no one will mistake it for New Orleans...
- jskonhovd 11y ago
  I don't think it's far to compare any city to New Orleans. I think everyone from the South is a little bit jealous of the culture of New Orleans. It's just a amazing place.
derrickdirge 11y ago
"Oh, we'll use the products you develop, just don't develop them in our backyard!"
bduerst 11y ago
The same has been happening with NIMBY's in the bay area for years. I silently follow a private facebook group for a bay-area city (which you need prove you're a resident of to get access) and it's an echo chamber of xenophobia, anti-tech bias, and misguided hate.
- chrismarlow9 11y ago
  Ah, I didn't know this was a thing. I'll tell people I work at Peets from now on. I don't really care if those damn starbucks lovers hate me. They can eat it!
- lacker 11y ago
  Hopefully they appreciate the irony of using a Facebook group to complain about the influence of... companies like Facebook
seansmccullough 11y ago
I totally agree, people are generally cold and non-friendly here.
Nicholas_C 11y ago
This has started happening in Austin. Many of my friends still live there and are constantly posting on social media about how people need to stop moving to Austin. These comments are especially made towards those from California.
mc32 11y ago
It's funny to see the no California stickers and sentiments plastered in Seattle and Portland. It's funny and also strange in that the people with such attitudes are the same kinds of people who used to post other no [immigrant group] but people don't get as outraged, somehow this sentiment is deserved. Like me, most people think it's funny. Yet, this is just the same phobia and fear of newcomers -new comers who are going to ruin the neighborhood, but instead of driving the prices down causing wealth flight they drive housing upwards.

hyperbovine 11y ago

Owen is the worst.

theophrastus 11y ago

A brief elaboration on "many people hostile to software engineers in general": the major source of this are the employers who have done a deal with the apartment owners to all but exclude anyone who doesn't work in the tech industry. The apartment owner simply doesn't rent to anyone who doesn't work for Amazon, Microsoft etc[1]. This makes people grumpy at the folks who apparently do the deal with the devil for this advantage. By the bye, there is a difference, at least politically, between Seattle and Bellevue, much like between San Francisco and Oakland [1] http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature/2015/09/09/22831041/heres-how-the-city-could-stop-those-special-move-in-deals-for-tech-workers http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature/2015/09/09/22831041/...

mattress 11y ago
Oh, I wasn't aware this was happening. Totally makes sense, although this is not the case in my instance.
pinewurst 11y ago
Reading this, the employers have nothing to do with it. The apartment owner/managers are deciding who is a "preferred" tenant on their own and should take the heat rather than some arbitrary employer.
- codyb 11y ago
  I guess I understand the idea that someone might want to live in a building filled entirely with people in their own industry... but I never liked the idea. They asked me in college "Do you want to live in a building that's composed only of engineers?" No, no I don't. How am I suppose to expand my mind talking only to people who do the same things I do? I'm suppose to sacrifice the expansion of my mind because English majors party or something? And that is the primary reason I'm in NYC now instead of Silicon Valley. Of course there is proximity to family and my love of this city in general, but the main reason is that at the end of the day, I go back to my block in Bushwick and spend hours almost every day just sitting with my Puerto Rican neighbors who have lived vastly different lives from mine. And I love it. The other option would have been to be a in a heavily white and asian male dominated situation with a bunch of people just like me, and i understand the appeal of not having to deal with things that are "different", but for me that's the best part of life. I'm happy to have lived with whites, blacks, latinos, asians, men, women, straight and gay people throughout my life. And I'm much more comfortable in working class neighborhoods than middle and upper class neighborhoods. So to me, it sounds like Seattle has a helluva uphill battle if it has to compete with the likes of entirely tech worker dominated buildings and wants to maintain any sort of culture at all besides whatever uniform culture that situation imposes upon an area.
  - eropple 11y ago
    You've nailed the weirdest thing about tech to me. The insularity is horrible. I had the same question posed to me in college and even then I was like "but...tech people are mostly boring." English majors party? Good. Means I'll get out of the house. I'm lucky in that a lot of my social circle is non-tech right now, but a lot of the keep-to-yourself aspects of Boston's culture don't sit really well with me. I've thought about NYC more and more lately. Might be worth another look, if I can figure out how to generate a client base down there before I make a jump. =)
steve-howard 11y ago
The only break I ever got from one of these programs (I work at Microsoft) was that of the various payments required on move-in (fee, refundable deposit, first month's rent) I was exempted from the refundable deposit. I didn't really get why that was the case, because I was still liable for damages, but I'm surprised that there are more aggressive versions of this and I'd agree that even the break I got wasn't really deserved.
OrwellianChild 11y ago
This is most likely a form of "credit-check" on the part of the landlords... They see stable, well-paying job, and trust that you'll stick around, pay on time, and generally not be a hassle. Has nothing do do with the apartment owners "sponsoring" employees of a certain company.

washedup 11y ago

people always complain about change! especially old people!

wfo 11y ago

Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame people; if every single new person you meet is a software engineer you get real sick of hearing that real fast. You appear like you're a dime a dozen, because as a software engineer transplant in Seattle you are and to anyone not in tech your work is utterly boring; if you can, try talking about hobbies instead and avoiding talking about work entirely. That might help, but it's definitely an uphill battle in that city. Also everyone hates amazon. So if you don't work there, be outwardly and explicitly proud that you don't -- that's a huge selling point when it comes to making friends. Partly because of the white collar sweatshops (people in seattle generally liberal and pro-labor), partly because of the blue-collar sweatshops, partly because 'large corporation = evil', partly because the countless new techbros with no respect for Seattle culture who spend 11hrs/day at work and don't have time to develop a personality romping around town give it a real bad reputation.

thieving_magpie 11y ago
Yeah, I'm not all that concerned with making friends with people that are hostile about my profession. That's so petty. >partly because the countless new techbros with no respect for Seattle culture who spend 11hrs/day at work and don't have time to develop a personality romping around town give it a real bad reputation What does that even mean? I hear this all the time and I honestly have no idea how to "respect Seattle Culture". I'm nice to people and I enjoy everything Seattle has to offer. If you want a pat on the back for living in Seattle longer, sorry. I don't care. I'd also point out that this hasn't been my experience at all. Everyone here has been very nice, welcoming, and helpful. I feel like Seattle natives really sell themselves short. It has been a great experience.
- devindotcom 11y ago
  I'm glad you're having a good time, but people in central Seattle are sensitive to the fact that the neighborhood that has been a cradle for so much culture is being made into the party district for nearby corporate villages - Amazon being the biggest offender. I have plenty of friends who've worked there (though many leave because it's so horrible) and plenty of friends in tech. It's not the profession, it's the people - they're easy to spot in real life. We don't want your approval - we're the ones who don't care. We want to know you're on the same side of the culture battle we've been losing for the last 5 or 10 years.

drewrv 11y ago

What I find hilarious is that the most hostile people weren't even born in Seattle. John Criscitello has no right to speak on behalf of native Seattleites.

devindotcom 11y ago
He only speaks for himself - but a lot of us happen to agree with him.

s73v3r 11y ago

"But you have no right to complain about this gentrification when you are operating newly built apartment complexes, charging a premium to tech workers. And then go on to say you have Amazon prime. Screw you, Owen." Are you saying that it's the people that are opening the apartment complexes that are complaining? Cause otherwise I'd imagine the average resident of the neighborhood isn't running apartment complexes.

ergothus 11y ago

Interesting - I moved from VA (Originally from PA) to Seattle a bit over 3 years ago, and my experience has been pretty different. However, I work downtown and live on Shoreline, which is quite different from Bellevue. I've found Seattle quite friendly to newcomers (Some friends visited and it took 3 days before some stranger didn't cover their drinks when out for dinner), and open and welcoming to me on multiple levels (as a tech person, as a board and RPG gamer, and as a geek in general, not to mention as someone far more socially liberal than Virginia was kind to). That said, I've learned there are a ton of neighborhoods here, each with their own flavor and style, and I've only "known" a few of them. Woodinville is not Freemont is not Bothell is not Bellevue.

dx211 11y ago
Fremont is not Bothowoodinredmokirkllevue. But it is basically the same as Ballard.

voxrumor 11y ago

My experience has been eerily similar. Moved to Ballard from South Philly at the beginning of the summer, working in Bellevue. People are so openly hostile I kinda stopped trying to talk to anyone. The "Die techie scum" graffiti all over doesn't really help either. Seattle itself seems pretty nice. Its a shame this forced isolation is just going to lead to even bigger division. Maybe we should hang out?

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pnathan 11y ago
I love Seattle, but the people spewing hate against techies gets me down, hard. I haven't really run into hostility outside of the anonymous ranting on reddit and the rude graffiti, etc.
mattress 11y ago
Ha, small world. It's strange, because I don't even look like a typical "techbro" as people have been describing in this thread. Work/life balance is incredibly important to me. I have a large beard, my long hair is in a bun, I have tattoos on my arms. I moved to Fremont because the one friend I had here lived there. Shoot me a private message, lets grab a bite or beer sometime.

curiousjorge 11y ago

FUCK OWEN

smithkl42 11y ago

I can't speak to every demographic, but I've lived and worked on the Eastside as a software dev for 15 some years now, and I've never had that reaction from anyone. Far from it, probably a third or better of the households I go to church with, or who my kids go to school with, have at least one engineer in the household, sometimes more. That said, Woodinville and Bellevue are not Capitol Hill, which has a very different vibe. I'm as uncomfortable in that neighborhood as they would be in mine, I expect.

dsp1234 11y ago

An interesting take on how someone really feels about programmers. http://www.movin925.com/2015/08/10/second-date-update-podcast-brogrammers/ http://www.movin925.com/2015/08/10/second-date-update-podcas...

jekdoce 11y ago
That was definitely interesting to listen to. Recommend it to others reading this thread. I have personally never met anyone being that passionately dismissive of people working at technology companies. Absurd.

justizin 11y ago

> A bunch of people immediately ask if I work for Amazon with a hint of disdain after I state my occupation. So it hasn't felt super welcoming so far. I moved to San Francisco ten years ago with $700 in my pocket, to stay with a relative, who kicked me out pretty soon because, well, having an adult man stay in your guest room when you are accustomed to pre-teen daughters, even if you really direct your misplaced desire for a son at your broke ass nephew, is hard. I lived for years under the poverty line and basically today, when I meet someone in person, this is exactly my experience. First, some advice I have a hard time taking: Don't let it get to you. Second, get involved with your community. When you detect this disdain, tell people (and mean it, and research why you should), that you are concerned about what is happening to the community and that you are rightfully afraid of the things that you admire in the community being driven out. Find ways to help. I'm sorry, software is not eating the world, Marc Andreesen's brain is eating his soul, there can be utility and benefit to what we do, but working folks who use their hands and muscles and mouths for a living in ways we likely can't imagine are rightly upset about being pushed out. I fucking promise you do not want to be in a city or neighborhood ruled by tech folks. People who moved to SF in the past few years are already facing their rents doubling. You want to know what it's like to live on a third of the salary you make? Start paying exorbitant rent. [I can hear you saying that you already are, wait until it doubles. My rent is currently 5x the inflated mortgage of the house I grew up in.] Who the fuck is Owen?

pnathan 11y ago
> You want to know what it's like to live on a third of the salary you make? I've lived paying 70-80% of my income to rent. That was unpleasant and not sustainable. My conclusion was this: own a house that you can afford.

cossatot 11y ago

I moved here a year ago and have found it to be extremely welcoming. But I'm in science, not tech qua tech. I have made most of my new friends through outdoors, particularly whitewater kayaking. The whitewater community here is vibrant and much preferable to other whitewater hotspots because there are few lifestyle/dudebro boaters and lots of people have interesting jobs or other hobbies and are smart and conversant. I'm also married which is better--I definitely wouldn't want to date here, although there seem to be a lot of girls in science and the outdoors. I will have to say, though, that as much as I love it here, I definitely don't see it as a particularly soulful city. But I'm from the Ozarks, which while not really diverse still has a lot of music and art. Especially the music: People literally sit on their porches playing music, and you can come up and join them, chat them up, whatever. The boundary between music producer and consumer in the Ozarks/South is a wide spectrum with most people somewhere on it, instead of it being a hard line with most squarely on the consumer side (as in Seattle, supposedly a musical place). But there are still fun, artsy and 'gritty' events in Seattle. The Fremont Soltice festival/ naked bike ride was super fun to ride in. The Deadbaby Downhill in Georgetown was crazy. But no one will mistake it for New Orleans...

jskonhovd 11y ago
I don't think it's far to compare any city to New Orleans. I think everyone from the South is a little bit jealous of the culture of New Orleans. It's just a amazing place.

derrickdirge 11y ago

"Oh, we'll use the products you develop, just don't develop them in our backyard!"

bduerst 11y ago

The same has been happening with NIMBY's in the bay area for years. I silently follow a private facebook group for a bay-area city (which you need prove you're a resident of to get access) and it's an echo chamber of xenophobia, anti-tech bias, and misguided hate.

chrismarlow9 11y ago
Ah, I didn't know this was a thing. I'll tell people I work at Peets from now on. I don't really care if those damn starbucks lovers hate me. They can eat it!
lacker 11y ago
Hopefully they appreciate the irony of using a Facebook group to complain about the influence of... companies like Facebook

seansmccullough 11y ago

I totally agree, people are generally cold and non-friendly here.

Nicholas_C 11y ago

This has started happening in Austin. Many of my friends still live there and are constantly posting on social media about how people need to stop moving to Austin. These comments are especially made towards those from California.

mc32 11y ago

It's funny to see the no California stickers and sentiments plastered in Seattle and Portland. It's funny and also strange in that the people with such attitudes are the same kinds of people who used to post other no [immigrant group] but people don't get as outraged, somehow this sentiment is deserved. Like me, most people think it's funny. Yet, this is just the same phobia and fear of newcomers -new comers who are going to ruin the neighborhood, but instead of driving the prices down causing wealth flight they drive housing upwards.