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My thoughts exactly. To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable. If they get the trackpad and keyboar

by pkkp 11y ago

My thoughts exactly. To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable. If they get the trackpad and keyboard right on it, this will open a lot of interesting doors.

vcarl 11y ago
I can't believe how few laptops get the trackpad right. It's the first and primary interaction anyone has with the laptop, how are all of them so terrible! I'd love to get a non-macbook, but the list of laptops with powerful hardware that plays nice with a Unix based OS and has a trackpad that isn't unbearable is shockingly short.
- creshal 11y ago
  Anyone except trackpoint users! But yeah, it's mindboggling. The internal hardware is largely the same anyway, why are companies throwing away a chance to get ahead of the competition and use the same shoddy keyboards/touchpads everyone hates?
  - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
    Trackpoints are painful for me to use though. My fingers just aren't willing to go through that trauma anymore.
    - creshal 11y ago
      For me it largely depends on the cap. The soft rim cap is really easy on the fingers, while the old IBM and default Lenovo caps only seem to exist to generate callus.
creshal 11y ago
> but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable Thinkpad Ts series? Dell's XPS/Latitude 7000 lines?
Osmium 11y ago
> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, I'm amused to see the 'OS/X' typo still lives on, more than a decade since OS/2's been relevant :) On topic, I've just upgraded to the latest version of OS X and it really seems rock solid. Fastest, most stable, and most secure version yet. Still a bit of an evolutionary dead end though, in that there have been no moves to add touch support beyond multitouch trackpads. I admire their vision with keeping iOS and OS X separate, but given touch is so ubiquitous elsewhere, I can't imagine it'll be long before Windows users are genuinely surprised and baffled by the lack of touch screens in Apple laptops...
- Joeri 11y ago
  Probably apple's next move is not to add touch to os x but to release an iOS laptop to replace the MacBook air, they could call it an iBook. It's pretty clear OS X is legacy tech and on the roadmap for being phased out.
  - sz4kerto 11y ago
    The big step for that would be XCode for iOS. Currently, iOS is one of the few platforms where the platform does not let you develop for itself.
    - mikestew 11y ago
      I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget. The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.
      - Osmium 11y ago
        For me it's "I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode [and had a terminal]." It can be heavily sandboxed as far as I care, I just need a proper Unix terminal. The trouble with Xcode is that it just needs so much screen real estate, I just can't see it working very well on iOS.
masklinn 11y ago
> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping I don't understand how anyone can state that, OSX has always had shit-show releases as a rule with a few exceptions (spit and polish cycles like Mountain Lion), and "never buy a v1 of a new design" has been the community's mantra since before I bought my first Apple device 15 years ago, it's one of the first things I was told.
igrekel 11y ago
Can only agree about the quality slipping. It used to be that your computer was faster with every release of OS X. It hasn't been true for a few releases now. Oh that and my niece's iPhone 5c (not even a year old) was bricked by an iOS update. And the only thing Apple offers is a discount on the purchase of a new one...

by pkkp 11y ago

vcarl 11y ago

I can't believe how few laptops get the trackpad right. It's the first and primary interaction anyone has with the laptop, how are all of them so terrible! I'd love to get a non-macbook, but the list of laptops with powerful hardware that plays nice with a Unix based OS and has a trackpad that isn't unbearable is shockingly short.

creshal 11y ago
Anyone except trackpoint users! But yeah, it's mindboggling. The internal hardware is largely the same anyway, why are companies throwing away a chance to get ahead of the competition and use the same shoddy keyboards/touchpads everyone hates?
- seanmcdirmid 11y ago
  Trackpoints are painful for me to use though. My fingers just aren't willing to go through that trauma anymore.
  - creshal 11y ago
    For me it largely depends on the cap. The soft rim cap is really easy on the fingers, while the old IBM and default Lenovo caps only seem to exist to generate callus.

creshal 11y ago

> but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable Thinkpad Ts series? Dell's XPS/Latitude 7000 lines?

Osmium 11y ago

> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, I'm amused to see the 'OS/X' typo still lives on, more than a decade since OS/2's been relevant :) On topic, I've just upgraded to the latest version of OS X and it really seems rock solid. Fastest, most stable, and most secure version yet. Still a bit of an evolutionary dead end though, in that there have been no moves to add touch support beyond multitouch trackpads. I admire their vision with keeping iOS and OS X separate, but given touch is so ubiquitous elsewhere, I can't imagine it'll be long before Windows users are genuinely surprised and baffled by the lack of touch screens in Apple laptops...

Joeri 11y ago
Probably apple's next move is not to add touch to os x but to release an iOS laptop to replace the MacBook air, they could call it an iBook. It's pretty clear OS X is legacy tech and on the roadmap for being phased out.
- sz4kerto 11y ago
  The big step for that would be XCode for iOS. Currently, iOS is one of the few platforms where the platform does not let you develop for itself.
  - mikestew 11y ago
    I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget. The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.
    - Osmium 11y ago
      For me it's "I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode [and had a terminal]." It can be heavily sandboxed as far as I care, I just need a proper Unix terminal. The trouble with Xcode is that it just needs so much screen real estate, I just can't see it working very well on iOS.

masklinn 11y ago

> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping I don't understand how anyone can state that, OSX has always had shit-show releases as a rule with a few exceptions (spit and polish cycles like Mountain Lion), and "never buy a v1 of a new design" has been the community's mantra since before I bought my first Apple device 15 years ago, it's one of the first things I was told.

igrekel 11y ago

Can only agree about the quality slipping. It used to be that your computer was faster with every release of OS X. It hasn't been true for a few releases now. Oh that and my niece's iPhone 5c (not even a year old) was bricked by an iOS update. And the only thing Apple offers is a discount on the purchase of a new one...