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Nexus One
- adatta02 17y agoReally disappointed there isn't Verizon support yet :(
- txxxxd 17y agoSpring 2010 is only a few months away =)
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- fauigerzigerk 17y agoApparently you're one of fortunate few who've got it already. I'm not, but the fact that it does multitasking sounds very convenient to me compared to the iPhone. The mapping stuff looks very good as well.
- charlesju 17y agoDoes anyone know if I can buy a Nexus One and use it without a cell phone plan? Or if not, is there any Android phone that I can buy to use without a sim card?
- 83457 17y agoYes
- lliiffee 17y agoYou could certainly buy one and use it with a non-contract pay as you go kind of plan. To use voice, of course, you would need some sim card. Or do you want to just use it with wifi, like an iPod touch?
- whalesalad 17y agoThe Nexus One doesn't ship with a sim when you purchase the unlocked version. In that case it would be an iPod Touch... you'd rely on WiFi for all data usage.
- gvb 17y agoAnother twist that I keep looking at is to do a data-only plan (TMO is $40/mo) and use it with VOIP. http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/cell-phone-plans-detail.aspx?tp=tb1&rateplan=T-Mobile-Total-Internet-Rate-Plan http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/cell-phone-plans-detail.a...
- symesc 17y agoI love the approach here: unsubsidized or subsidized, your choice.
- mrkurt 17y agoIf only they were selling it at sane unsubsidized prices.
- cmgarcia 17y agoSeems pretty sane to me, compared to other HTC phones' unsubsidized prices.
- mrkurt 17y agoUnsubsidized phone prices make Oracle licensing look sane. :)
- there 17y agoand an unsubsidized, factory unlocked iphone 3gs costs $750-$1000.
- borism 17y agowhere can you get one? yeah, that's about right price for newer smartphones.
- there 17y agoebay or some random places on the web. they are all imported from hong kong. http://www.popularelect.com/product_info.php?products_id=1368 http://www.popularelect.com/product_info.php?products_id=136...
- jluxenberg 17y agoSeriously? Parts can't be more than $200 for this. I mean, they sell the iPod Touch for $200 which costs $155 to make ( http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2007/12/19/ipod-touch-bests-iphones-internal-design-costs-155-to-make/ http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2007/12/19/ipod-touch-bests-ip... ). Is a GSM radio IC expensive? Hell no. They're in bed with the carriers, and they're even worse than Apple because they're trying to say that they aren't.
- acangiano 17y agoAs usual, not available in Canada.
- scorchin 17y agoDoesn't look like it's available in the UK yet either.
- piramida 17y agoSame in Russia. We still didn't get iphone 3gs too. Certification issues, guess nothing Google could change.
- notaddicted 17y agoI'm in Canada as well. Could someone tell me: what is the unsubsidized price?
- acangiano 17y ago$530.
- teuobk 17y agoThe unsubsidized price is US$529, but it operates on a frequency band that is incompatible with the Rogers 3G network, so that won't really help you Canadians, eh.
- martythemaniak 17y agoIt operates WIND's network though. $70 for unlimited province-wide talk and data.
- holdenk 17y agoI was looking at WINDs pricing, and the unlimmited only seems to be in WIND home areas, and [for the time being] that didn't seem very large. Also, while it looks like it will work on WIND, it won't be able to roam on Roger's 3G, which seems like it would be useful until they have a more complete network roll-out.
- gcb 17y agoSorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country.
- mcantor 17y agoStill holding out for a similar phone with a hardware keyboard. BTW, I've heard tell that the Droid has a hardware keyboard, but you can't feel the difference between keys, making it less usable than the G1's keyboard. Can anyone corroborate that?
- wglb 17y agoI have a droid, and the hardware keyboard is fine. There are little raised underscores on the F key and on the J key. It is ok for regular use, but probably not useful for development, as an example. Don't have a G1 to compare. My gold standard for keyboards is still my hp200lx!
- rosser 17y agoI've had my Droid a little over a month now. While I'd definitely say the keys are less tactile than my last QWERTY phone (Treo 650), I can touch-type easily enough, and my typing speed is about what I'd expect from the device. My complaint with the keyboard is more that it's off-center, because of the directional pad. That still feels a bit awkward to me.
- cssteerpike 17y agoHave a Droid, and I'd suggest that the difference between the keys is subtle, but not non-existent. Best idea is to get your hands on one and try it. I love it and have had almost no problems typing on it, but it seems to be a love it/hate it sort of thing. That being said, I hated software keyboards... until the Droid. I actually find myself using the software keyboards (one for each orientation of the phone) more often than the hardware keyboard.
- mcantor 17y agoWhat about the Droid's software keyboards are different that makes them more usable? I'm always trying to force myself to use the G1's software keyboard, but I can only seem to use it in one of two ways: wantonly mash and hope the predictive/spelling correction code figures out that I typed "devtsvuldt" but meant "spectacular" (thus pausing periodically to carefully click the correct suggestion), and occasionally being forced to abandon a word and backspace it out because it is so mangled that even Google's rocket scientists couldn't write a spelling corrector that can figure it out; or meticulously pecking words out letter-by-letter, trying to enter that zen-like state of mind where my fear of misspelling has been released, and my fat white thumb is free to alight on the correct section of touchscreen as if guided by the nameless Tao itself. Both are excruciating compared to finding the two little nubbins on "F" and "J" and going from there.
- whalesalad 17y agoI just ordered one myself for $529, free overnight shipping and $0 tax to Honolulu, Hawaii. I couldn't be more excited!
- j_b_f 17y agoI heard that T-Mo just got their 3G up and running in HNL. Great device to test it out on!
- jqueryin 17y agoAs usual, a crappy carrier unless you want to shell out the $530. God I hate all these contractual obligations. AT&T bends over backwards for the iPhone, where's my Nexus One love :(
- jonknee 17y agoIt's not compatible with AT&T's 3G network, so it would make very little sense for AT&T to offer a subsidy. Waiting until the CDMA version ships will net you the ability to have it on a large network with a subsidy.
- there 17y agoi would hardly call t-mobile crappy when compared to at&t.
- potatolicious 17y agoReception is, though. At my office T-mobile phones just go dead as soon as you walk in, even next to a window. AT&T phones keep working at full bars. This is in Seattle btw, I was on T-mo for 4 months, and coverage will drop to zero in the most inexplicable urban spaces.
- there 17y agoso the whole company is crappy because of one dead zone in your office? i'm sure you can find dead zones on any network. when you compare things like customer service, rate plans, at&t's refusal to support tethering (which t-mobile allows), and phone availability (how many android phones does at&t have?), t-mobile doesn't look that bad.
- potatolicious 17y agoIt's not just my office - a great number of indoor spaces here in Seattle had the same problem. I agree T-mo has much better customer service and terms, but at the end of the day my phone has to work, and in Seattle it's very, very hit and miss.
- muriithi 17y ago"Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country."
- ryanelkins 17y agoI have a T-Mobile plan right now - went to check on upgrade pricing through google's site but apparently their servers have crashed. I'm thinking I may wait for Verizon to get the phone...
- brown9-2 17y agoGetting the same thing as of 3:54pm EST: We are currently unable to process your request for service with T-Mobile. T-Mobile's servers are busy or unreachable. You can try again later, or you can purchase the unlocked phone without service.
- kenshi 17y agoHow different to the days of working at Symbian (many years ago). There: Engineers: "We should do X, Y and Z!" Technology Managers: "Our owners/partners don't want us to do any of that. We have a five year lead on the competition, we don't need to do this stuff." Google Nexus One announcement: "Together with those partners, we have increased the rate of innovation. The volume [and] variety of Android phones... have exceeded our expectations. But we want to do more and one of the questions we asked ourselves a long time ago was, 'What if we worked even more closely with our partners to bring devices to the market that are going to help showcase very quickly the technology we're working at on Google." My prediction for the mobile industry: further disruption.
- martythemaniak 17y agoToo bad there are no plans on offering this as a development phone along with the G1 and G3
- brown9-2 17y agoI was hoping that as an existing T-Mobile customer, I'd be able to use one of those "upgrade discounts" for the Nexus One. The good news is that I can, the bad news is that as an existing customer I get the unsubsidized price: Congratulations! You qualify for an upgrade. There may be changes to your service plan and your contract will be renewed for 2 years from the activation of your upgraded phone. Phone $529.00 Service Plan Discount - $150.00 Total: $379.00 (excluding tax and shipping)
- wmeredith 17y agoThat's pretty sweet. If it's unsubsidized it's unlocked right?
- ryanelkins 17y agoHe's saying he gets the unsubsidized price with the subsidized restrictions (meaning it's locked). I also am a T-Mo customer (whose contract has expired) and wondered if I would get a good deal by signing up for another 2 years. It turns out it's actually MORE for me to sign up as an existing customer: Phone $529.00 Service Plan Discount - $250.00 Total: $279.00 (excluding tax and shipping) This is really stupid and is just insulting. I mean if I just cancel my current plan and get a new one I can get it for $179 but as a current customer who has been with them for years (out of contract!) I have to pay $100 more.
- brown9-2 17y agoI'm in the same boat as you - I'm out of contract. Also it's especially confusing since the pricing page doesn't say that the $179 is only for new T-mobile customers.
- RK 17y agoYou may get a better deal if you buy unsubsidized but stay with your current plan. You may need to first change some of the options on your plan. For example, I currently have a "feature phone" with $6/month 3G "T-mobile web" access. As far as I can tell, I can get the Nexus unsubsidized and continue with this plan. This would be substantially cheaper than $180 + $80/month over 24 months.
- riobard 17y agoThe screen is a 3.7 inch AMOLED 480x800@250 DPI!! Awesome!! This is better than laser printing resolution!
- handelaar 17y agoFor values of 'better' meaning '30% lower', sure.
- riobard 17y agoNo. 300 DPI printing is not the same as 300 DPI on screen, because one dot on screen can be multiple colors (depending on the color depth, typically 16,777,216 can be expected), while one dot on paper is, well, either black or white. So for the same DPI, screen outperforms paper. 250 DPI on screen will definitely beat 300 DPI on paper.
- pibefision 17y agoI bet Nexus One has a problem on battery usage, and this is one of the most critical things on smartphones, and RIM's guys know this very well. You cannot get an out of battery in a middle of the day. If you work outside as many of you, this is an essential feature. This happens often on many new smarphones, specially with processors so fast, they run out of battery. I can use my BlackBerry Bold all day without a charge (using 3g), I doubt can do the same thing with this. Also the price is prohibitive outside USA.
- davidw 17y agoI've been doing lots of BlackBerry hacking lately (working on the Hecl port), and compared to Android, those guys just don't "get it". Everything is a pain in the neck, very fiddly, Windows only, and often quirky. They're nice devices, but RIM just doesn't strike me as being able to turn around and produce a development experience that's pleasant. In terms of that price, it's 368 euros at current rates, which is certainly high, but about what you'd see for other high end phones, and a lot lower than you'd pay for an iPhone.
- fauigerzigerk 17y agoUsually vendors "forget" to use proper exchange rates and instead use something closer to the nominal USD price in euros.
- davidw 17y agoYep. Apple prices recently have been pretty much one to one even though the Euro was hovering around $1.50. It will be interesting to see what they do with this.
- j_b_f 17y agoI've been playing with the Nexus One pretty heavily for the past 24 hours and I can confirm that the battery is basically what you'd expect. Heavy usage means you won't make it through the day, but you can easily do so on reasonable web surfing/texting and moderate numbers of phone calls.
- jluxenberg 17y agoFYI, for AT&T customers considering making the plunge: The currently available Nexus One device is unlocked and will recognize SIM cards from any mobile service provider using the GSM standard, but is incompatible with the frequency band used by the AT&T and Rogers networks for 3G data (see below). ( http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=166507 http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=1... ) No 3G data on AT&T! Shucks.
- j_b_f 17y agoI can confirm this. Stuck my AT&T SIM in my N1 and no 3G. Here's the deal: Most of the world = 3G 2100, AT&T = 3G 850/1900, T-Mo USA = 3G 1700/2100 MHz, Nexus One = 3G 900/1700/2100. (For reference, iPhone 3G = 3G 850/1900/2100).
- cliff 17y agoIt's actually a little more complicated than this and the terminology makes it very confusing. The key to this is that the frequency band is different from the actual frequencies used for the radio. Much of the world's 3G usage is on the 2100 frequency band. This actually operates on two frequency ranges, ~1900 uplink and ~2100 downlink. In this same vein, AT&T has 2 separate frequency bands, 850 and 1900. 850 operates on ~824/~869 and 1900 operates on ~1850/~1930. T-Mo actually only has one 3G frequency band, 1700 MHz. This operates on ~1710/~2100, but actually this is not compatible with the world-wide 2100 frequency band. Most, if not all, 3G T-Mo USA phones support at least the 1700 and 2100 frequency bands. Nexus One also supports 900 MHz, which makes sense since Vodafone uses that band in Europe and Nexus One will soon be on Vodafone. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands for more exact details.
- j_b_f 17y agoSure, I get that. But the description above should suffice for most people. It's the same terminology used by the GSM Association: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml (this link is awesome in that it shows you what bands the different carriers use for various services)
- waterlesscloud 17y agoWhat's the monthly price of the plan with tmobile? For unlimited voice/data or whatever their closest option is?
- bithaze 17y agoIf you buy the Nexus One with the T-Mobile plan, $79.99/month includes 500 minutes and unlimited data. It's detailed on the first step of the order process: https://www.google.com/phone/choose https://www.google.com/phone/choose
- drawkbox 17y agoData is same as AT&T $30/month. I just traded in my HTC MDA for switching to AT&T and the iPhone 3GS. It cost about $5 more per month at AT&T total. My same plan at T-Mobile was $100, new one at AT&T is $105ish.
- grandalf 17y agoI thought the tmo data plan was $25 per month... do you have a link to the $30 pricing?
- bithaze 17y agoTech specs indicate 802.11n; does anyone know if there's actually any noticeable difference in n over g when using a mobile processor/device?
- jsz0 17y agoI doubt it but it's allows you to run your N access point in native mode with no B/G compatibility if your SmartPhone was the last device holding you back from going straight N.
- jwr 17y ago"Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country." Oh, well. Another boring phone which isn't even available. Let's move on, then.
- electromagnetic 17y agoAgreed, give me a blackberry, at least their new phones come out in all countries within a reasonable time. I'll say hello to the Nexus One in about two years when the american companies decide to get their thumbs out of their collective asses.
- borism 17y agoHaven't seen Blackberry in my country or any neighboring country, EVER. Maybe by all countries you mean both US and UK? :)
- tvon 17y agoIt no doubt is the nicest Android phone to date, but for the most part it sounds like it has been wildly over-hyped. The only thing that seems to make this a "Google Phone" is that Google is selling it.
- jonknee 17y ago... And Google made all the software for it. What more do you want? Google Fab?
- tvon 17y agoWell, if Microsoft was selling a "Microsoft Phone", you'd expect something more than just a phone (albeit a nice one) with Windows Mobile installed, wouldn't you?
- jonknee 17y agoNot at all. Just like when I use a "Microsoft mouse" I don't expect it to navigate for me. It's a mouse.
- eli 17y agoI assume he meant "as opposed to all the other Android phones"
- pelle 17y agoThe interesting thing that I haven't seen many talk about is that the subsidized phone is still apparently unlocked. Which makes it great for traveling etc. This alone would be a really big deal for me. This also means that as long as you stick with the plan for at least 120 days you can get out of the contract and still use the phone for TMobiles $200 early termination fee. While I love my iPhone it really annoys me that there is no way I can pay AT&T to unlock it like I would be able to in most European countries.
- eli 17y agoT-Mobile has unlocked all my subsidized phones for me. Unlike most providers, you just have to ask and they send you the code. I believe you have to be a customer in good standing for a few months first.
- blasdel 17y agoWhy the hell are they so insistent on fucking up the storage situation on Android phones? The N1 has just 512mb flash built in, and while it has a Micro SD slot for your media, Android will only use the system flash for storing the OS, apps, and app data. They screwed up earlier with the G1 which only had 256mb, not enough to install any official OS updates, and instead of learning their lesson they just bumped it up one notch. While users may plead loudly about how they want expandable storage, they fucking hate it when you make them manage what's stored where, and this is not a UI area you're going to be able to polish. 4gb of flash is the bare minimum you can get away with, and premium SKUs with 32gb+ are a given -- this is your chance to pile on markup without anyone complaining. Apple's abhorrence towards removable storage isn't just because Jobs is a dick, or the form factor compromises, but simply because it's a usability nightmare.
- whalesalad 17y agoIt really is. Fortunately with modded firmwares you can use the SD card for more than it was originally intended, like partitioning it for storing your applications and even a linux swap. Still, it's a mega usability nightmare. Because the card also stores all your photos and music, when you want to connect it to your computer it has to unmount on the device, and there goes all your apps with it. Which causes things to hang and die. Considering the cost of physical memory these days.. it doesn't make sense not to include a larger bit of internal storage. Heck they can even keep the SD slot on there for extra storage for those who desire it.
- jrockway 17y agoDepends on how you expose the SD card to the computer. If you let it touch the filesystem directly, then yeah, the device can't use the card at the same time. But if you make the phone act like a USB network card, and then run Samba on that network interface, both devices can modify the data at the same time. (My Archos/Android mp3 player does this.) There is also some media sync protocol that Microsoft invented that avoids this problem.
- mtinkerhess 17y agoThe kind of person that picks up an Android phone is tech-savvy enough to handle manual file storage. I like it, actually, because it lets me use my phone as a flash drive. Regarding app data, from the Gizmodo liveblog: They store apps in the internal ROM and not on the SD card now, for piracy reasons, but they will offer an upgrade soon for installing apps on the SD card.
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- nick-dap 17y agoThis is quite bland... I'm trying hard to see how this particular device is innovative and I just don't see it. Different branding, ok, better screen, ok, you can get it unlocked for an astronomical price and use it with a carrier of your choice, ok. So is every other new phone. It's Android and Android is the future or something? What am I missing?
- bdmac97 17y agoI really do not understand what all the fuss was about. It's just another HTC Android phone. What does Google really even have to do with it (any more than all the other Android phones)? It seems like HTC could've just held their own press conference without involving Google but of course then there'd be no hype!
- borism 17y agoThere you are answering your own question. It seems another difference is that this time HTC is just a subcontractor, while Google really takes over marketing of N1.
- bdmac97 17y agoI guess from that viewpoint it's moderately interesting but as a phone it's really not much to get excited about compared to other modern Android phones like the Droid. Bah... I was expecting something huge!
- technomancy 17y agoThe Droid is CDMA, which is a deal-killer for anyone travelling internationally. Also it's the first time in the US that a major phone has been sold with an option to buy it without a contract. This is fantastic from a user freedom perspective as Telco contracts in the US are typically quite abusive.
- swolchok 17y agoSo the Google Voice app doesn't do any fancy VoIP, it just uses the phone as a phone? What happens if you just have WiFi and try to use GV?
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- tfincannon 17y agoDoes anyone know if the speech recognition for text fields is done onboard the phone, or uploaded to Google?
- s3graham 17y agoI have no knowledge or hardware, but I'd bet on it being server-side.
- billybob 17y agoI'd say that, although this is the best Android phone yet, the phone itself is not revolutionary. The most important aspect of this story will be if the sales model catches on: buying your phone one place, and activating it another. The more people shop for the best phone, then for the best network, the more competitive pressure is on both to improve.
- carbocation 17y agoFrom David Pogue ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/technology/personaltech/06pogue.html?hp http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/technology/personaltech/06... )"The Nexus can accommodate memory cards up to 32 gigabytes (a 4 gigabyte card comes with it) — and yet, inexplicably, the Nexus allots only the tiniest sliver of that (190 megabytes) for downloaded apps." If this is a hard limit, this will be a total dealbreaker.
- technomancy 17y agoWhat is this term "hard limit" of which you speak? Is it something related to proprietary software?
- carbocation 17y agoIt's an Android limit, apparently: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29157252&postcount=35 http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29157252&post...
- vetinari 17y agoYes and no. The "No" part: Android system has (at least) three partitions - system, cache and data. Data is where applications get installed. Cache is used, well, for caching data and it must be at least the same size as system (because it holds system image when updating over the air). I don't know for sure how it is partitioned in N1, just guessing: the data partition is 192M, leaving 160M for system and 160M for cache. The "Yes" part: android partitions on proprietary hardware (and N1 is proprietary hardware, just as G1/ADP1 is) are defined in proprietary boot loader. There is currently no way to change them without going through the risk of having $500 brick on your table.
- alanl 17y agoDefinitely doesn’t beat the iPhone IMHO, but Google are moving at such lightning fast pace, I'm guessing we might see a Nexus 2 before the end of the year.