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9/11 killed several thousand in a single attack so are they saying that around what 8k have been killed in right wing terrorist attacks? since then. And compar

9/11 killed several thousand in a single attack so are they saying that around what 8k have been killed in right wing terrorist attacks? since then. And compared to real terrorist organizations like the PIRA, UDA , RAF and ETA - right wing America organizations are a joke.

quesera 11y ago
No, they're saying that since then, in the U.S., more people have been killed by our local breed of anti-minority crazy people than by the foreign anti-majority sort. Blog spam points to http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks... which has a helpful table. 26 deaths by foreign (or foreign-motivated) crazies, 48 by homegrown crazies. So the argument is that the greatest threat to U.S. citizens (minorities and govt employees) on U.S. soil is other, militant, U.S. citizens. Which is fine as far as it goes. I don't know what agenda the New America people are pushing. But more interesting to me is that there have only been 26 killings by crazy foreign jihadists since 20010911. 26 too many, and many more injuries, but it puts things in perspective.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
  But thats not terrorism you might as well say that car drivers are terrorists. And selectively ignoring a data point to make your figures look they way you want is not exactly ethical is it.
  - thex10 11y ago
    Actually I believe ignoring outliers is sound practice, as far as statistical analysis goes.
  - quesera 11y ago
    "terrorism" doesn't mean much any more. Violence targeted against groups with different origins or beliefs for the purpose of sowing unrest and causing fear in others? They did eliminate the Sandy Hook guy and others due to broad antisocial attitudes without specific targets. So they did make an effort of sorts...but I'm sure they have an agenda to promulgate, I just haven't bothered to read what it might be.
    - soylentcola 11y ago
      I think if there's any agenda, it's to look for any trends in ideological terrorism in the US. Honestly, I think one thing the data shows that wasn't mentioned is that there's relatively little ideologically motivated terrorism in the US overall (compared to the prominent place terrorism holds in the national conversation). This isn't to belittle the death of 74 people in terrorist attacks but once you get past the morbidity of death tolls and averages, 74 victims over 14 years (5 or so per year avg) strikes me as a fairly low number when compared to the typical weight that such attacks are given in policy discussions.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    I picked three random entries from that table: http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=1682 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=1680 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=560848931 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... and it's hard to see how that's not terrorism except for the fact it's white people doing it.
  - sjg007 11y ago
    anti-minority crazy people with guns who kill people are terrorists.

quesera 11y ago

No, they're saying that since then, in the U.S., more people have been killed by our local breed of anti-minority crazy people than by the foreign anti-majority sort. Blog spam points to http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks... which has a helpful table. 26 deaths by foreign (or foreign-motivated) crazies, 48 by homegrown crazies. So the argument is that the greatest threat to U.S. citizens (minorities and govt employees) on U.S. soil is other, militant, U.S. citizens. Which is fine as far as it goes. I don't know what agenda the New America people are pushing. But more interesting to me is that there have only been 26 killings by crazy foreign jihadists since 20010911. 26 too many, and many more injuries, but it puts things in perspective.

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
But thats not terrorism you might as well say that car drivers are terrorists. And selectively ignoring a data point to make your figures look they way you want is not exactly ethical is it.
- thex10 11y ago
  Actually I believe ignoring outliers is sound practice, as far as statistical analysis goes.
- quesera 11y ago
  "terrorism" doesn't mean much any more. Violence targeted against groups with different origins or beliefs for the purpose of sowing unrest and causing fear in others? They did eliminate the Sandy Hook guy and others due to broad antisocial attitudes without specific targets. So they did make an effort of sorts...but I'm sure they have an agenda to promulgate, I just haven't bothered to read what it might be.
  - soylentcola 11y ago
    I think if there's any agenda, it's to look for any trends in ideological terrorism in the US. Honestly, I think one thing the data shows that wasn't mentioned is that there's relatively little ideologically motivated terrorism in the US overall (compared to the prominent place terrorism holds in the national conversation). This isn't to belittle the death of 74 people in terrorist attacks but once you get past the morbidity of death tolls and averages, 74 victims over 14 years (5 or so per year avg) strikes me as a fairly low number when compared to the typical weight that such attacks are given in policy discussions.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  I picked three random entries from that table: http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=1682 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=1680 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.html?id=560848931 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plot.ht... and it's hard to see how that's not terrorism except for the fact it's white people doing it.
- sjg007 11y ago
  anti-minority crazy people with guns who kill people are terrorists.