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> Now the evidence itself suggested at least a plausible hypothesis: the attacks were triggered when a bus used to transport heroin was commandeered by the stud

> Now the evidence itself suggested at least a plausible hypothesis: the attacks were triggered when a bus used to transport heroin was commandeered by the students, and that the motive—because the municipal police and others involved in the attacks didn’t know which of the commandeered buses had the drugs aboard, or perhaps had been specially outfitted to smuggle drugs without detection That's a very plausible theory. I wonder how much drugs could a bust like that carry.

gadders 11y ago
It sounds like a movie plot, not real life.
- A010 11y ago
  Like ... Narcos? I don't know, isn't that based on true story?
  - misiti3780 11y ago
    if you are referring to the netflix show - i believe it is based on Pablo Escobar
  - betolink 11y ago
    Mexico is where the new Narcos live and operate since the fall of the Colombian cartels so in a sense yes but worse.
- armandososa 11y ago
  You should come to Mexico, it's like living in a (grim) movie universe.
  - misiti3780 11y ago
    but it isnt all of mexico right? (forgive me, I have read a lot of books + articles on this but this is my impression) the violence is more concentrated in areas like Sinaloa, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo etc. I know there are multiple cartels but it is my understanding that a lot of the murders can be attributed to the war been Sinaloa and the Zetas up north ?
    - j_camarena 11y ago
      Totally. You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world. As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.
      - dethstar 11y ago
        That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal. I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.
        JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Also, drug buyers are customers. It would seem crazy for a dealer to endanger customers on a regular basis. So, buying drugs in a shady part of town should be (relatively) safer than most activities?
        dethstar 11y ago
        I don't know about being relatively safer, if you have a higher income than average you definitely can become a target because, via their other business (extortion, kidnapping and asking for rescue) they can also obtain profit, so being successful can be risky. Now, are dealers purposively endangering their clients? I don't think so, but risks do come with getting drugs (e.g the police/military comes by, a rival cartel comes by, etc). Also, most of their income comes from the drugs they sell in the states so I don't think losing customers here is such a (monetary) loss to them.
        Panoramix 11y ago
        You (wrongly) assume drug dealers and their surrounding cast are balanced and rational individuals. There's a huge spread, but when you interact with criminals living on the edge of society you should not expect to be safe.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > It sounds like a movie plot, not real life. I think that's because the many powerful movie plots are drawn from the parts of real life that most people in the modern developed world are insulated from most of the time.
joe_the_user 11y ago
The thing about the events and the theories is that the real situation is now evident and the particulars matter only in a symbolic way. Essentially, the students were murdered by the ruling narco-state fusion. The Federal authorities efforts to blame the events on a fusion of local authorities and narcos likely is perceived as an effort to cover up the general collusion between the state and the narcos on all levels. This is a world in which during the course of the investigation, 60 other mass graves, of other large groups of people murdered in area were found [1]. When industrial-scale for murder and the disposal of bodies are operating, yeah, it's hard to figure out how certain people died and where they are not. As a cause, I get the impression that finding the students' murderers now is oriented towards not finding some specific hidden villain or exact turn of events but rather on casting light on the entire narco-state complex where corruption goes up to highest level (and extends into the US). BBC: "Mexico missing students: Search uncovers 60 mass graves" The attorney general's office says the remains of 129 bodies have been recovered from the graves. None of the remains have been linked to the students who vanished in Iguala." [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33671636 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33671636

gadders 11y ago

It sounds like a movie plot, not real life.

A010 11y ago
Like ... Narcos? I don't know, isn't that based on true story?
- misiti3780 11y ago
  if you are referring to the netflix show - i believe it is based on Pablo Escobar
- betolink 11y ago
  Mexico is where the new Narcos live and operate since the fall of the Colombian cartels so in a sense yes but worse.
armandososa 11y ago
You should come to Mexico, it's like living in a (grim) movie universe.
- misiti3780 11y ago
  but it isnt all of mexico right? (forgive me, I have read a lot of books + articles on this but this is my impression) the violence is more concentrated in areas like Sinaloa, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo etc. I know there are multiple cartels but it is my understanding that a lot of the murders can be attributed to the war been Sinaloa and the Zetas up north ?
  - j_camarena 11y ago
    Totally. You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world. As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.
    - dethstar 11y ago
      That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal. I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Also, drug buyers are customers. It would seem crazy for a dealer to endanger customers on a regular basis. So, buying drugs in a shady part of town should be (relatively) safer than most activities?
        dethstar 11y ago
        I don't know about being relatively safer, if you have a higher income than average you definitely can become a target because, via their other business (extortion, kidnapping and asking for rescue) they can also obtain profit, so being successful can be risky. Now, are dealers purposively endangering their clients? I don't think so, but risks do come with getting drugs (e.g the police/military comes by, a rival cartel comes by, etc). Also, most of their income comes from the drugs they sell in the states so I don't think losing customers here is such a (monetary) loss to them.
        Panoramix 11y ago
        You (wrongly) assume drug dealers and their surrounding cast are balanced and rational individuals. There's a huge spread, but when you interact with criminals living on the edge of society you should not expect to be safe.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> It sounds like a movie plot, not real life. I think that's because the many powerful movie plots are drawn from the parts of real life that most people in the modern developed world are insulated from most of the time.

joe_the_user 11y ago

The thing about the events and the theories is that the real situation is now evident and the particulars matter only in a symbolic way. Essentially, the students were murdered by the ruling narco-state fusion. The Federal authorities efforts to blame the events on a fusion of local authorities and narcos likely is perceived as an effort to cover up the general collusion between the state and the narcos on all levels. This is a world in which during the course of the investigation, 60 other mass graves, of other large groups of people murdered in area were found [1]. When industrial-scale for murder and the disposal of bodies are operating, yeah, it's hard to figure out how certain people died and where they are not. As a cause, I get the impression that finding the students' murderers now is oriented towards not finding some specific hidden villain or exact turn of events but rather on casting light on the entire narco-state complex where corruption goes up to highest level (and extends into the US). BBC: "Mexico missing students: Search uncovers 60 mass graves" The attorney general's office says the remains of 129 bodies have been recovered from the graves. None of the remains have been linked to the students who vanished in Iguala." [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33671636 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33671636