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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store
- sbarre 11y agoTime to cautiously update my Mac mini before I update the computers that matter!
- majordouchebag 11y agoIt removes the root account access; everything needs a sudo command. Don't get it. Offers nothing of importance.
- placeybordeaux 11y agoso sudo su doesn't work anymore?
- bdcravens 11y agoIt still works. See sibling comment.
- alexbock 11y agoI think you misunderstand how "rootless" works. Nothing is stopping you from using "sudo su" if you want to be root for some reason. The new security features prevent certain system files from being modified even if you are logged in as root. This can be disabled if you boot into recovery mode and use the terminal. More info: https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/Security/Conceptual/System_Integrity_Protection_Guide/System_Integrity_Protection_Guide.pdf https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...
- falcolas 11y ago> The new security features prevent certain system files from being modified even if you are logged in as root. As a superuser, this annoys me. As a security conscious sysadmin, I'm mostly OK with this, though the lack of access except via recovery mode makes for a potential aggravation (makes remote assistance hard).
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- Someone 11y agoOn the plus side, this makes it even less likely that your users manage to mess up their system so much that remote assistance doesn't work anymore.
- RexRollman 11y agoI believe you turn off protection via recovery mode and then reboot, after which the system behaves like it did before.
- jakeva 11y agoNone of that is true or helpful. Great username, btw.
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- fnordsensei 11y agoWeird, the public release is right there in app store, yet I am getting no option to upgrade the public beta version that I am on.
- chambo622 11y agoSame here - gradual roll out?
- wangii 11y agohave you upgraded to 10.11.1 beta? Maybe we are now permanently stuck with the beta channel.
- fnordsensei 11y agoI'm running "Version 10.11 Beta (15A278b)"
- tuananh 11y agosame here, no upgrade prompt
- mikewhy 11y agoAre you on a 10.11.0 Beta or 10.11.1? I am on 10.11.1 and haven't been notified to upgrade.
- kitsunesoba 11y agoIt’s not uncommon for the App Store/Software Update to make no distinction between the final GM seed and the production version, making it say you’re already up to date if you’re running the GM seed. They’re usually close enough to production that the GM seeds can update to x.x.1 type updates. That said I’m downloading the official release now and installing it over my GM seed install simply to get beta releases of 10.11.1 to stop showing up in my updates tab.
- dv_says 11y ago
- voaie 11y agoDamn it, the .DS_Store files are back without the help from Asepsis! Now I must run clean.sh everytime I pack up my project. :( The time has come...
- trevorhartman 11y agoOne solution that I've adopted: never use Finder.
- filsmick 11y agoWhat do you use instead? You navigate exclusively from your terminal?
- spython 11y agoI've used Forklift for years, very stable: http://www.binarynights.com/forklift/ http://www.binarynights.com/forklift/
- FireBeyond 11y agoCocoa tech Path Finder for me.
- arm 11y agoI second the Path Finder recommendation: http://www.cocoatech.com/pathfinder/ http://www.cocoatech.com/pathfinder/
- yeukhon 11y agoDid they announce about this new OS? I don't remember hearing about it at all.
- ctdonath 11y agoFormal announcement was made on June 8. https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/06/08Apple-Announces-OS-X-El-Capitan-with-Refined-Experience-Improved-Performance.html https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/06/08Apple-Announces-O...
- bdcravens 11y agoIf time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.
- FireBeyond 11y agoIt gets stuck because it's moving every Homebrew app out of /usr/local, a known but painful issue.
- bdcravens 11y agoI believe it includes all the source, which is what consumes most of the time.
- rndn 11y agoI think the same applies to TeX distributions. It awfully slow for some reason, perhaps it double checks each file to avoid bit errors in system critical files?
- strange_quark 11y agoYeah, my Yosemite update over 3 because TeX has so many files that it moves one by one out and back of the texbin directory.
- Rafert 11y agoSo, basically the same advice applies as with the upgrade to Yosemite: move /usr/local to somewhere like ~/local before upgrading, and move it back after. It's worth mentioning that after the upgrade you might run into permissions problems: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/El_Capitan_and_Homebrew.md https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h... You might want to run `brew update` before updating, so `brew doctor` can help you troubleshoot issues afterwards.
- smallarmsdealer 11y ago
- on_ 11y agoJust upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadiately and use the resetpassword feature in terminal, keychain breaks, can't find "login". Prob fix it with permissions. Note, NOT the case. Had to make an entire new user. Also, with >30mbps connection, 850mb upgrade is taking ~4hrs. They must be getting slammed. Edit : Boot args didnt fix. Trying carutul disable at recovery terminal. Bash-3.2# csrutil diasable Seems to work. Edit n: seperate and unrelated, system does not seem to restart well. Eiter hangs or takes ages.
- PurellYourAss 11y agoThis is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
- on_ 11y agoPlease elaborate.
- arm 11y agoThat’s probably because of System Integrity Protection. It can be disabled though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection
- goshx 11y agoMight be related to Rootless? "OS X adds a new feature called "Rootless" that keeps the root user found on Unix-based systems from being able to be run. This can cause some troubles for disk management and backup utilities, so they included a way to turn it off. Open the Terminal and type sudo nvram boot-args="kext-dev-mode=1 rootless=0";sudo reboot to disable rootless and reboot your Mac. Only disable rootless if you know what this feature is used for, and you are experienced with the OS X command line." [1] [1] http://www.techradar.com/us/how-to/computing/apple/52-os-x-el-capitan-tips-and-tricks-1305433 http://www.techradar.com/us/how-to/computing/apple/52-os-x-e...
- pkaye 11y agoI'm eager to upgrade so is this a fairly safe upgrade or are there kinks that need to be worked out?
- tjr 11y agoI use a lot of audio production applications. I'm still on Mavericks, actually, because I haven't wanted to pay to upgrade perfectly fine software just so I could use a newer operating system. I have been receiving notices from software application vendors alerting me "Please strongly consider not upgrading to El Capitan yet, as there are compatibility issues that we need to work out." So I'd guess the answer is -- it depends on what applications you want to continue using on your computer.
- RexRollman 11y agoI don't believe in OS upgrades; I always wipe and clean install (mainly due to superstition). Regardless, always have a good backup before starting.
- e40 11y agoI always wait until at least 10.x.2, but 10.x.3 is usually best.
- makecheck 11y agoSo far it seems OK. My /usr/local was preserved and restored automatically (mine was about 250 MB and the whole OS installation took about half an hour). The split-screen view hasn't been fully-thought-through though. I would say almost everything I tried didn't do what I would have expected. There is a way for a window to end up on a space where the menu bar no longer has menus. There's even a mode where almost everything stops working: if the system decides only one of your windows supports splitting, it'll just sit there (even gestures won't work to reenter Mission Control) and you have to click to get out of it.
- nsxwolf 11y agoI wish they'd implemented a full tiled window manager. I'd really like to have at least 3 windows in the split view. At the very least, an option to stack top and bottom instead of side by side would have been nice. Seems like they want it to be congruent with how it works in iOS 9 on the iPad, so I don't hold out any hope. Maybe someone will figure out how to hack it.
- t0mislav 11y agoI wonder if there will be review on Arstechnica after Siracusa?!
- scoopr 11y agohttp://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/os-x-10-11-el-capitan-the-ars-technica-review/1/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/os-x-10-11-el-capitan-t... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10296815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10296815
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- t0mislav 11y agoWow, review is already there.
- d_rc 11y agosiracusa stopped doing the reviews http://hypercritical.co/2015/04/15/os-x-reviewed http://hypercritical.co/2015/04/15/os-x-reviewed
- binaryanomaly 11y agoHaving a working CDN still seems to be a challenge for apple, meh
- spacehome 11y agoI don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out. It now feels like you need to wait a minimum of 3 months before even considering installing a .0 (or .1 or .2) version of their software. It's a shame, too. I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid.
- sandyarmstrong 11y ago> I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid. What OS are you talking about? OS X has always had buggy .0 releases. If anything it's gotten better over time, though I still agree with waiting for a .1 or .2. If you mean Mac OS or earlier, then I wouldn't know. I was young and we always just kept whatever came on the computer.
- spacehome 11y ago10.4 was pretty good. My point about the .1 and .2 releases were that they're buggy, too. I look into my crystal ball and predict that 10.11.1 and 10.11.2 will both have serious issues (though not as much as 10.11.0. You really have to wait for the waves of bugfix releases after a point release to end before it's safe for human consumption.
- DavidAdams 11y ago7.6.1 was pretty good. And get off my lawn!
- coldtea 11y agoHere is a list of bugs and workarounds for 10.4 (Tiger) from Cnet: Spotlight: Invisible files limitation; Processor usage and performance problems DHCP Problems: AirPort networking dropouts, D-Link router problems, more AirPort: No auto-reconnect after sleep; Connections dropping when switching from one base station to another Freezes during shutdown or startup, fixes Widgets: Possible security exploit; Excessive memory usage; more Check for bad login/startup items CD/DVD burning problems: Errors, blank discs not recognized, more Classic: Problems starting, more Printer problems: Deleting, then re-adding Font issues: "Fuzzy" type, more SCSI Issues: Fix for Adaptec cards; Drives causing startup/shut down problems, more Problems caused by QuickTime codecs "Beeping" or "Chirping" noise back for some G5s Bonjour issue and fix Removable media devices not mounting, fixes SMB connection problems, solutions Wake-from-sleep issues Speakable Items fails; workaround Keychain import issue and fix Safari 2.0: Problematic plug-ins, more iPhoto 5.0.x: Unwanted image changes; Freezes on launch, fix iSync 2.0: Deleted data; Problems synchronizing phones, iPods Mail.app 2.0: Plug-in problems, removing bad bundles; Import problems; more iChat AV 3.0: Performance issues iTunes: Play does not continue during fast user switching, more (...) http://www.cnet.com/news/special-report-troubleshooting-mac-os-x-10-4-tiger/ http://www.cnet.com/news/special-report-troubleshooting-mac-...
- mars 11y agosince i installed the .1 beta yesterday (which was actually released today) my load avg increased by .6 - even after several reboots.
- alphast0rm 11y agoThat's two OS X upgrades in a row (Yosemite, and now El Capitan) that the upgrade has moved the contents of my home directory /home/users/alphastorm/ into /home-preserved/. Luckily moving/copying everything back seems to fix almost everything. Anyone else had this happen to them or know why it happens?
- makecheck 11y agoDo you really mean /home or /Users? Only /Users is standard to OS X. I would put your home directory there. They may create /home if it's required to exist for compatibility with other Unix standards. And since an OS upgrade probably has a checklist of things that must succeed (such as the ability to "create" /home), they feel forced to preserve whatever might have been there already before "creating" it again. On my machine, /home exists but it is completely empty.
- flyrain 11y agoAnybody know how to enable Photos extension in El Capitan?