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It is very easy to find sexual release with internet porn. More difficult with a real life woman. And therein lies the collapse of western civilization.

jqm 11y ago
When (eventually...they all do) western civilization collapses I highly doubt porn will be the leading cause. I lean more towards it being bankers, lawyers and politicians.
- FilterSweep 11y ago
  I completely agree, but it won't stop young men from being used as a scapegoat.
- a3n 11y ago
  Lack of IRL interaction is a plausible cause. Japan is experience a reluctance to populate, not for porn, but still.
  - ajmurmann 11y ago
    It's even more severe in Germany. However, Germany as a country won't go away, it will just look very different, since there are many immigrants who are making up for it. Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962
- tsotha 11y ago
  Bankers, lawyers, and politicians have always been corrupt and/or incompetent. People still used to have kids.
lsc 11y ago
> It is very easy to find sexual release with internet porn. More difficult with a real life woman. Very true... but I don't really see the problem. >And therein lies the collapse of western civilization. I suspect you are joking, but behind the joke, there's a very real, very disturbing attitude. It's a double-standard, really; in modern times, masturbation is largely seen as a positive thing, an empowering thing for women. But not so for men; the same act is somehow shameful for men. It's like there's this attitude that a man's sexuality, to be honorable, must impose it's will on others. It's an attitude that I think is both destructive to the men in question and to those we interact with. It's an attitude that should have gone away with the idea of ownership of other human beings.
marvy 11y ago
lsc: your comment is marked [dead].
- lsc 11y ago
  Oh man, I would find a shadowban, especially over something so overtly political so amusing! Of course, it's probably just a technical glitch.
  - spicyj 11y ago
    (FWIW, this comment is not [dead].)
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  - nostrademons 11y ago
    I suspect that the word "masturbati_n" triggers an auto-kill filter on Hacker News. There are 3 comments on this article that are all dead, all 3 include that word. Probably too many threads that got derailed by complaints of "intellectual masturbati_n".
  - douche 11y ago
    To nostrademons: Yepp, it would appear that any mention of expert-luring, possibly with some kind of fuzzy match, triggers the auto-kill sequence. Wonder if synonyms of a homonym are acceptable?
  - zo1 11y ago
    What is a shadow ban? Any links?
    - gizmo686 11y ago
      A shadow ban is where you do not inform a user that he has been banned, but silently hide all posts from said user. In your profile settings, you can set showdead to "yes" to see comments made by shadowbanned users.
yc1010 11y ago
I wonder how many problems in the middle east would be solved by bringing em' easy access to porn...
- jazzyk 11y ago
  A lot. Even more by giving young men ANY access to women :-)
  - larrys 11y ago
    Ah yes. Operation "me loves you long time". Ref: Full Metal Jacket (link is a nsfw video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE
- larrys 11y ago
  Interesting theory actually. And so simple (and as academics say "elegant"). You have to wonder why the US isn't raining down "propaganda porn viewing devices" instead of leaflets. (I'm serious a self contained unit with an LCD and enough memory and power to play some porn..perhaps with solar charging to boot.) Of course the reason they would never do this has something to do with how porn is viewed by mainstream folks and how an aghast media would present this even if it was an actual practical solution to a problem. Would seem to be worth a try.
- amelius 11y ago
  It might as well be the other way around. Perhaps these men already have easy access, and are now frustrated that they cannot find women who can live up to their expectations (the real women are often covered by a burqa, after all). Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages, so I guess it will certainly not solve any problems related to normal family life (which is what we want these men to pursue), and the morals that come with it.
  - aaronbrethorst 11y ago
    Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages citation needed.
mc32 11y ago
There may be something to that, given porn in Japan has been prevalent for longer, albeit, pixelated and they are going through population contraction due to many people of reproductive age being kind of indifferent to real sex.
- vilhelm_s 11y ago
  Is it really the case that porn has been prevalent in Japan for longer than in e.g. the U.S.? I imagined they are about the same.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    In Japan it's more prevalent (and more kinky).
- vacri 11y ago
  Plenty of countries in Europe don't have 'replacement' birth rates, yet porn is accessible there as well.
mattstreet 11y ago
You know people masturbated well before porn of any kind existed right? And that people frequently do more difficult but higher reward thing? And that there are other motivators for meaningful relationships than just sex? Maybe this was just a joke that I didn't find very funny?

jqm 11y ago

When (eventually...they all do) western civilization collapses I highly doubt porn will be the leading cause. I lean more towards it being bankers, lawyers and politicians.

FilterSweep 11y ago
I completely agree, but it won't stop young men from being used as a scapegoat.
a3n 11y ago
Lack of IRL interaction is a plausible cause. Japan is experience a reluctance to populate, not for porn, but still.
- ajmurmann 11y ago
  It's even more severe in Germany. However, Germany as a country won't go away, it will just look very different, since there are many immigrants who are making up for it. Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962
tsotha 11y ago
Bankers, lawyers, and politicians have always been corrupt and/or incompetent. People still used to have kids.

lsc 11y ago

> It is very easy to find sexual release with internet porn. More difficult with a real life woman. Very true... but I don't really see the problem. >And therein lies the collapse of western civilization. I suspect you are joking, but behind the joke, there's a very real, very disturbing attitude. It's a double-standard, really; in modern times, masturbation is largely seen as a positive thing, an empowering thing for women. But not so for men; the same act is somehow shameful for men. It's like there's this attitude that a man's sexuality, to be honorable, must impose it's will on others. It's an attitude that I think is both destructive to the men in question and to those we interact with. It's an attitude that should have gone away with the idea of ownership of other human beings.

marvy 11y ago

lsc: your comment is marked [dead].

lsc 11y ago
Oh man, I would find a shadowban, especially over something so overtly political so amusing! Of course, it's probably just a technical glitch.
- spicyj 11y ago
  (FWIW, this comment is not [dead].)
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- nostrademons 11y ago
  I suspect that the word "masturbati_n" triggers an auto-kill filter on Hacker News. There are 3 comments on this article that are all dead, all 3 include that word. Probably too many threads that got derailed by complaints of "intellectual masturbati_n".
- douche 11y ago
  To nostrademons: Yepp, it would appear that any mention of expert-luring, possibly with some kind of fuzzy match, triggers the auto-kill sequence. Wonder if synonyms of a homonym are acceptable?
- zo1 11y ago
  What is a shadow ban? Any links?
  - gizmo686 11y ago
    A shadow ban is where you do not inform a user that he has been banned, but silently hide all posts from said user. In your profile settings, you can set showdead to "yes" to see comments made by shadowbanned users.

yc1010 11y ago

I wonder how many problems in the middle east would be solved by bringing em' easy access to porn...

jazzyk 11y ago
A lot. Even more by giving young men ANY access to women :-)
- larrys 11y ago
  Ah yes. Operation "me loves you long time". Ref: Full Metal Jacket (link is a nsfw video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE
larrys 11y ago
Interesting theory actually. And so simple (and as academics say "elegant"). You have to wonder why the US isn't raining down "propaganda porn viewing devices" instead of leaflets. (I'm serious a self contained unit with an LCD and enough memory and power to play some porn..perhaps with solar charging to boot.) Of course the reason they would never do this has something to do with how porn is viewed by mainstream folks and how an aghast media would present this even if it was an actual practical solution to a problem. Would seem to be worth a try.
amelius 11y ago
It might as well be the other way around. Perhaps these men already have easy access, and are now frustrated that they cannot find women who can live up to their expectations (the real women are often covered by a burqa, after all). Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages, so I guess it will certainly not solve any problems related to normal family life (which is what we want these men to pursue), and the morals that come with it.
- aaronbrethorst 11y ago
  Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages citation needed.

mc32 11y ago

There may be something to that, given porn in Japan has been prevalent for longer, albeit, pixelated and they are going through population contraction due to many people of reproductive age being kind of indifferent to real sex.

vilhelm_s 11y ago
Is it really the case that porn has been prevalent in Japan for longer than in e.g. the U.S.? I imagined they are about the same.
- coldtea 11y ago
  In Japan it's more prevalent (and more kinky).
vacri 11y ago
Plenty of countries in Europe don't have 'replacement' birth rates, yet porn is accessible there as well.

mattstreet 11y ago

You know people masturbated well before porn of any kind existed right? And that people frequently do more difficult but higher reward thing? And that there are other motivators for meaningful relationships than just sex? Maybe this was just a joke that I didn't find very funny?