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A First Look at Metal Performance on the iPhone 6s

63 points by shawndumas 11y ago

melling 11y ago
I've got a collection of Metal articles for anyone interested in learning it. http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?q=metal&age=10000 http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?q=metal&age=10000
pgtruesdell 11y ago
This is really impressive, much more work went into the CPU & GPU on this "s" generation than previous years. I can't wait to see what people, smarter than I, do with it.
- frou_dh 11y ago
  Given the previous 's', the 5s, was the one to introduce both the 64bit CPU architecture and the Metal capable GPU, you're selling it a bit short.
  - pohl 11y ago
    Yeah, and the 4S was the first dual-core iPhone, too.
exogen 11y ago
Note for anyone else sent to the ChromaTouch article instead: Blogspot's JavaScript router is extremely broken. The actual article linked to can be found in the left nav.
- deleted 11y ago
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vbezhenar 11y ago
I wonder, how this compares to modern desktop-class video card on DirectX?
- revelation 11y ago
  Unfavorably. There is no free lunch, you don't get a 150W performance-equivalent in a 5W package with buzzwords alone.
  - corysama 11y ago
    A good comparison would be against an Nvidia Shield tablet. It runs desktop GPU tech in a low-watt setup. Metal vs NvCommandList would be fun.
- ksk 11y ago
  I don't really understand what you mean by "this". Do you mean Metal, the API vs Direct X. Or do you mean The video hardware on the 6s vs a desktop.
  - vbezhenar 11y ago
    I mean particle test in linked article. iPhone 6S + Metal vs some top video card + DirectX. Of course later wins, there's no doubt about that, I just wonder how big the margin is.
    - Jasper_ 11y ago
      There's too many variables in that to make a meaningful comparison.
- imaginenore 11y ago
  800 million particles on 16 GPUs. https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgxVYl_pslI https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgxVYl_pslI A lot depends on what kind of math you do on each particle. A smartphone has no chance against a modern desktop GPU.
- rdsnsca 11y ago
  When Mac OX X 10.11 El Capitan ships, it will bring Metal to the Mac, and surely someone will do a comparison.
microcolonel 11y ago
I read the title and thought they were talking about the performance of the metal materials in the frame, and not Metal the API.
- cthalupa 11y ago
  Me too! Especially after "bendgate" the last time around. ( For those of us that ended up in here due to that, it looks like some people have done some testing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPGzLd8Xwx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPGzLd8Xwx4 )
greggman 11y ago
I haven't looked at Metal's API. I have programmed PS1/PS2/PSP/PS3 which all used command buffers completely under your own control letting you pre-create them and removing all overhead for "Draw Calls" so I'm excited about these new APIs that seem more like consoles. I found this Vulkan video from Siggraph exciting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNsdYfWXfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNsdYfWXfM There are several demos shown which demonstrate the advantages of getting rid of the draw calls. Not only can you draw a bunch more stuff but you also get much of your CPU back to do other things. The showed one example doing 400k effective draw calls on some tablet which would be impossible with the older APIs.
- anon4 11y ago
  I wonder if we're seeing this due to AMD's inability to write good drivers. In certain benchmarks, the performance of cards that cost way less than nVidia's shot up to match theirs. "If the driver is the problem, then no driver is no problem", I guess. It's overall a very welcome development, but I have to wonder what level of incompetence goes on at AMD to get to this point.
  - fr0styMatt2 11y ago
    That's certainly not a fair assessment. APIs like Metal & Vulkan (and AMD's Mantle which arguably started the trend on the PC) are the correct technical direction to go and not an indication of incompetence on AMD's part - if anything they're an indication of trying to fix a broken status quo. You have to understand that drivers are hard to write because they became an over-complicated mess of hacks and impedance mismatch between what OpenGL/DirectX of old made graphics hardware look like and what graphics hardware actually evolved into. The hardware just evolved away from the APIs. See here for a start -- this post is extremely enlightening on the situation: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019 http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-o...
  - Jasper_ 11y ago
    OpenGL is super, super hard to get right. No vendor besides NVIDIA has gotten it right (and often "right" means "follow what NVIDIA does, not what the spec says"). Intel, Qualcomm, ARM/Mali (and Vivante, Broadcom, etc., ...) also all have similarly broken OpenGL implementations. NVIDIA has sunk millions into their driver, to the point where major games developers only test on NVIDIA, NVIDIA is the reference point, etc., and it's super hard to play catch-up. They have a market share so big that they've convinced you that everybody who isn't NVIDIA is terrible at writing drivers. All major consoles this generation use AMD-based GPUs, and they seem to work fine.

63 points by shawndumas 11y ago

I've got a collection of Metal articles for anyone interested in learning it. http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?q=metal&age=10000 http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?q=metal&age=10000

pgtruesdell 11y ago

This is really impressive, much more work went into the CPU & GPU on this "s" generation than previous years. I can't wait to see what people, smarter than I, do with it.

frou_dh 11y ago
Given the previous 's', the 5s, was the one to introduce both the 64bit CPU architecture and the Metal capable GPU, you're selling it a bit short.
- pohl 11y ago
  Yeah, and the 4S was the first dual-core iPhone, too.

exogen 11y ago

Note for anyone else sent to the ChromaTouch article instead: Blogspot's JavaScript router is extremely broken. The actual article linked to can be found in the left nav.

deleted 11y ago
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vbezhenar 11y ago

I wonder, how this compares to modern desktop-class video card on DirectX?

revelation 11y ago
Unfavorably. There is no free lunch, you don't get a 150W performance-equivalent in a 5W package with buzzwords alone.
- corysama 11y ago
  A good comparison would be against an Nvidia Shield tablet. It runs desktop GPU tech in a low-watt setup. Metal vs NvCommandList would be fun.
ksk 11y ago
I don't really understand what you mean by "this". Do you mean Metal, the API vs Direct X. Or do you mean The video hardware on the 6s vs a desktop.
- vbezhenar 11y ago
  I mean particle test in linked article. iPhone 6S + Metal vs some top video card + DirectX. Of course later wins, there's no doubt about that, I just wonder how big the margin is.
  - Jasper_ 11y ago
    There's too many variables in that to make a meaningful comparison.
imaginenore 11y ago
800 million particles on 16 GPUs. https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgxVYl_pslI https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgxVYl_pslI A lot depends on what kind of math you do on each particle. A smartphone has no chance against a modern desktop GPU.
rdsnsca 11y ago
When Mac OX X 10.11 El Capitan ships, it will bring Metal to the Mac, and surely someone will do a comparison.

microcolonel 11y ago

I read the title and thought they were talking about the performance of the metal materials in the frame, and not Metal the API.

cthalupa 11y ago
Me too! Especially after "bendgate" the last time around. ( For those of us that ended up in here due to that, it looks like some people have done some testing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPGzLd8Xwx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPGzLd8Xwx4 )

greggman 11y ago

I haven't looked at Metal's API. I have programmed PS1/PS2/PSP/PS3 which all used command buffers completely under your own control letting you pre-create them and removing all overhead for "Draw Calls" so I'm excited about these new APIs that seem more like consoles. I found this Vulkan video from Siggraph exciting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNsdYfWXfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNsdYfWXfM There are several demos shown which demonstrate the advantages of getting rid of the draw calls. Not only can you draw a bunch more stuff but you also get much of your CPU back to do other things. The showed one example doing 400k effective draw calls on some tablet which would be impossible with the older APIs.

anon4 11y ago
I wonder if we're seeing this due to AMD's inability to write good drivers. In certain benchmarks, the performance of cards that cost way less than nVidia's shot up to match theirs. "If the driver is the problem, then no driver is no problem", I guess. It's overall a very welcome development, but I have to wonder what level of incompetence goes on at AMD to get to this point.
- fr0styMatt2 11y ago
  That's certainly not a fair assessment. APIs like Metal & Vulkan (and AMD's Mantle which arguably started the trend on the PC) are the correct technical direction to go and not an indication of incompetence on AMD's part - if anything they're an indication of trying to fix a broken status quo. You have to understand that drivers are hard to write because they became an over-complicated mess of hacks and impedance mismatch between what OpenGL/DirectX of old made graphics hardware look like and what graphics hardware actually evolved into. The hardware just evolved away from the APIs. See here for a start -- this post is extremely enlightening on the situation: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019 http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-o...
- Jasper_ 11y ago
  OpenGL is super, super hard to get right. No vendor besides NVIDIA has gotten it right (and often "right" means "follow what NVIDIA does, not what the spec says"). Intel, Qualcomm, ARM/Mali (and Vivante, Broadcom, etc., ...) also all have similarly broken OpenGL implementations. NVIDIA has sunk millions into their driver, to the point where major games developers only test on NVIDIA, NVIDIA is the reference point, etc., and it's super hard to play catch-up. They have a market share so big that they've convinced you that everybody who isn't NVIDIA is terrible at writing drivers. All major consoles this generation use AMD-based GPUs, and they seem to work fine.