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>like it did on desktop It's pretty great that this happened. I'm so sick of using these pesky desktop applications. Just remind me, which web apps can I use f

>like it did on desktop It's pretty great that this happened. I'm so sick of using these pesky desktop applications. Just remind me, which web apps can I use for the following? -Audio production -3D animation -Video editing -CAD design -Writing/debugging software

dbrabera 11y ago
Those are all very specialised types of apps for content creation. If those are the only examples that came to your mind, you pretty much proved the point.
- bottled_poe 11y ago
  So, you really believe that nobody, other than the use cases above, use native software? I only listed the software categories which I personally use...
  - IIAOPSW 11y ago
    No. He proved that only a specialized minority need specialized applications. For a majority of users the computer starts and ends with the web browser. The same thing will happen on mobile
  - Drakim 11y ago
    I think he is exaggerating, but he does have a point. How many uses native applications for reading email today? More and more are also moving to the web for office applications. Some areas are completely swallowed. In the 90s it wouldn't have been strange to have a native application for the weather, or to browse a digital encyclopedia. Those areas are now only on the web.
    - anon1385 11y ago
      >How many uses native applications for reading email today? Most people with a phone?
      - Drakim 11y ago
        Valid point, but how many of those phone apps is just a webview wrapper? :p
  - thachmai 11y ago
    A counter example: How many people aside from specialists use the browser as their main "app"? How many people use webmail, search and read info, use facebook/twitter, order stuff, use online map, look at internet junk? The browser is the number one app on desktop without a doubt. The flexibility it offers is nothing short of incredible. You can cite specialist apps all you like, it doesn't change the fact that those apps are a niche right now on the desktop.
RyJones 11y ago
OnShape handles CAD in the browser pretty well. https://www.onshape.com https://www.onshape.com
michaelpinto 11y ago
For anything that's processor intensive it's clear that apps will win, but flipping that think about the classic office bundle and how google moved that to the browser: - Email - Word Processing - Spreadsheets - Slideshows
- threeseed 11y ago
  Google didn't move email to the browser. Hotmail and Yahoo did. And Google Apps hasn't displaced Office by and measure. Companies are still depending on and using standard SOE stacks which includes Office.
  - eertami 11y ago
    Maybe not at enterprise, but in my experience google apps have displaced office for smaller orgs and personal use. I haven't used Word or Excel in like 6 years now.
- sooheon 11y ago
  Other than email, most of that office bundle has clear shortcomings compared to native apps.
1971genocide 11y ago
Also VLC player. The thing is all those things will eventually migrate to the web. Right now the web has so much potential and those pieces of software have a small market and that market is pretty saturated. Once we do everything we can do with the web then we will move into domains that have incumbents I would say Facebook is much more useful to society then Audio Production.
- millstone 11y ago
  The web is a cesspool. Its monetization is so twisted and unnatural, with individual users worth next to nothing. Companies engage in all sorts of dark patterns, tracking and other scummy bullshit to try to squeeze out an extra tenth of a penny per user. Hell, click on the link to this article and Amazon, LinkedIn, Google, and a dozen others all get to know what you just read! I don't share the excitement about bringing this bullshit to apps. Maybe the web will improve: as websites become more sophisticated, customers will increase their expectations and start demanding better treatment. But this would require reversing the current trend.
  - Bahamut 11y ago
    Native apps can be even worse - they control all behavior to a more powerful degree. The bloat and battery & data drainage is why I install as few mobile apps as possible.
    - tdkl 11y ago
      You didn't state on which mobile OS you have this experience ?
      - Bahamut 11y ago
        Android and iOS
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    It seems like a market pattern. When the market size become so big, value gets down to nothing, then yes businesses act this way.
nl 11y ago
Audio production: https://soundation.com/ https://soundation.com/ 3D animation: https://clara.io/ https://clara.io/ Video Editing: https://www.wevideo.com/ https://www.wevideo.com/ CAD design: https://www.tinkercad.com/ https://www.tinkercad.com/ Writing/debugging software: https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/ Now of course I expect we'll here the "but it misses feature X". I'm sure that's true. Next, someone will point out that generally, 80% of people don't need feature X, and the fact that it is online means it is many times more accessible. We've seen this over and over again. Remember when everyone thought web based email couldn't possibly work for them because of feature Z? I'm sure that's still true, for a few people. So can we skip that whole discussion? But I don't know if the message we should get out of this is that the web wins, or than new ways of distributing functionality to more people cheaper wins.
- bottled_poe 11y ago
  Let's be clear - I was never suggesting the the web can't beat native. The op was stating that the days of native are behind us. It is strictly untrue. > Remember when everyone thought web based email couldn't possibly work for them because of feature Z? No, I've always used web-based email clients. Did a software developer really say this?
  - pjc50 11y ago
    Back in the early days of webmail, when IE6 was new and we had 28.8k modems, someone almost certainly said that. 20 years ago we used Eudora, PINE, Netscape's mail client, or (if you were really unfortunate) Outlook Express.
    - tluyben2 11y ago
      Pine -> Mutt -> Webmail for me. Those desktop clients were(are?) horrible. For iPhone/iPad I do like Inbox though.
      - marcosdumay 11y ago
        POP was horrible, IMAP made things much better, but the web clients had already won. A modern desktop client is much better than a modern webmail client when it's available. It's interesting that desktop clients have been continualy improving, while web clients have been continualy getting worse. Anyway, both have their use.
partiallypro 11y ago
Those are all apps that actually need more access to the machine's resources. That's not really a comparable to what -most- apps in all of the major app stores do. Most of the apps in the app store are just for media consumption and generally the web version is better than the native app. See Facebook for example. Media consumption v media creation I think is the distinct line that need to be crossed before a native app makes a whole lot of sense.
qq66 11y ago
For audio production, iMaschine is a fantastic app and the main reason I stay with iOS. In fact, the $5 app was so good that I ended up buying the $200 Maschine hardware controller + desktop software for the seamless integration: create a track in iMaschine and it will export a file that you can open up on the desktop to apply advanced effects, additional voices, etc.
ivan_burazin 11y ago
For Writing/debugging software definitely check out Codeanywhere.com. I am the founder so would love your feedback if you haven't tried it out yet. Thanks :)

dbrabera 11y ago

Those are all very specialised types of apps for content creation. If those are the only examples that came to your mind, you pretty much proved the point.

bottled_poe 11y ago
So, you really believe that nobody, other than the use cases above, use native software? I only listed the software categories which I personally use...
- IIAOPSW 11y ago
  No. He proved that only a specialized minority need specialized applications. For a majority of users the computer starts and ends with the web browser. The same thing will happen on mobile
- Drakim 11y ago
  I think he is exaggerating, but he does have a point. How many uses native applications for reading email today? More and more are also moving to the web for office applications. Some areas are completely swallowed. In the 90s it wouldn't have been strange to have a native application for the weather, or to browse a digital encyclopedia. Those areas are now only on the web.
  - anon1385 11y ago
    >How many uses native applications for reading email today? Most people with a phone?
    - Drakim 11y ago
      Valid point, but how many of those phone apps is just a webview wrapper? :p
- thachmai 11y ago
  A counter example: How many people aside from specialists use the browser as their main "app"? How many people use webmail, search and read info, use facebook/twitter, order stuff, use online map, look at internet junk? The browser is the number one app on desktop without a doubt. The flexibility it offers is nothing short of incredible. You can cite specialist apps all you like, it doesn't change the fact that those apps are a niche right now on the desktop.

RyJones 11y ago

OnShape handles CAD in the browser pretty well. https://www.onshape.com https://www.onshape.com

michaelpinto 11y ago

For anything that's processor intensive it's clear that apps will win, but flipping that think about the classic office bundle and how google moved that to the browser: - Email - Word Processing - Spreadsheets - Slideshows

threeseed 11y ago
Google didn't move email to the browser. Hotmail and Yahoo did. And Google Apps hasn't displaced Office by and measure. Companies are still depending on and using standard SOE stacks which includes Office.
- eertami 11y ago
  Maybe not at enterprise, but in my experience google apps have displaced office for smaller orgs and personal use. I haven't used Word or Excel in like 6 years now.
sooheon 11y ago
Other than email, most of that office bundle has clear shortcomings compared to native apps.

1971genocide 11y ago

Also VLC player. The thing is all those things will eventually migrate to the web. Right now the web has so much potential and those pieces of software have a small market and that market is pretty saturated. Once we do everything we can do with the web then we will move into domains that have incumbents I would say Facebook is much more useful to society then Audio Production.

millstone 11y ago
The web is a cesspool. Its monetization is so twisted and unnatural, with individual users worth next to nothing. Companies engage in all sorts of dark patterns, tracking and other scummy bullshit to try to squeeze out an extra tenth of a penny per user. Hell, click on the link to this article and Amazon, LinkedIn, Google, and a dozen others all get to know what you just read! I don't share the excitement about bringing this bullshit to apps. Maybe the web will improve: as websites become more sophisticated, customers will increase their expectations and start demanding better treatment. But this would require reversing the current trend.
- Bahamut 11y ago
  Native apps can be even worse - they control all behavior to a more powerful degree. The bloat and battery & data drainage is why I install as few mobile apps as possible.
  - tdkl 11y ago
    You didn't state on which mobile OS you have this experience ?
    - Bahamut 11y ago
      Android and iOS
- agumonkey 11y ago
  It seems like a market pattern. When the market size become so big, value gets down to nothing, then yes businesses act this way.

nl 11y ago

Audio production: https://soundation.com/ https://soundation.com/ 3D animation: https://clara.io/ https://clara.io/ Video Editing: https://www.wevideo.com/ https://www.wevideo.com/ CAD design: https://www.tinkercad.com/ https://www.tinkercad.com/ Writing/debugging software: https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/ Now of course I expect we'll here the "but it misses feature X". I'm sure that's true. Next, someone will point out that generally, 80% of people don't need feature X, and the fact that it is online means it is many times more accessible. We've seen this over and over again. Remember when everyone thought web based email couldn't possibly work for them because of feature Z? I'm sure that's still true, for a few people. So can we skip that whole discussion? But I don't know if the message we should get out of this is that the web wins, or than new ways of distributing functionality to more people cheaper wins.

bottled_poe 11y ago
Let's be clear - I was never suggesting the the web can't beat native. The op was stating that the days of native are behind us. It is strictly untrue. > Remember when everyone thought web based email couldn't possibly work for them because of feature Z? No, I've always used web-based email clients. Did a software developer really say this?
- pjc50 11y ago
  Back in the early days of webmail, when IE6 was new and we had 28.8k modems, someone almost certainly said that. 20 years ago we used Eudora, PINE, Netscape's mail client, or (if you were really unfortunate) Outlook Express.
  - tluyben2 11y ago
    Pine -> Mutt -> Webmail for me. Those desktop clients were(are?) horrible. For iPhone/iPad I do like Inbox though.
    - marcosdumay 11y ago
      POP was horrible, IMAP made things much better, but the web clients had already won. A modern desktop client is much better than a modern webmail client when it's available. It's interesting that desktop clients have been continualy improving, while web clients have been continualy getting worse. Anyway, both have their use.

partiallypro 11y ago

Those are all apps that actually need more access to the machine's resources. That's not really a comparable to what -most- apps in all of the major app stores do. Most of the apps in the app store are just for media consumption and generally the web version is better than the native app. See Facebook for example. Media consumption v media creation I think is the distinct line that need to be crossed before a native app makes a whole lot of sense.

qq66 11y ago

For audio production, iMaschine is a fantastic app and the main reason I stay with iOS. In fact, the $5 app was so good that I ended up buying the $200 Maschine hardware controller + desktop software for the seamless integration: create a track in iMaschine and it will export a file that you can open up on the desktop to apply advanced effects, additional voices, etc.

ivan_burazin 11y ago

For Writing/debugging software definitely check out Codeanywhere.com. I am the founder so would love your feedback if you haven't tried it out yet. Thanks :)