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Phone screens on top-end phones are high enough quality to manage (and are higher resolution than most PC monitors anyway). They also have the added benefit of

by exelius 11y ago

Phone screens on top-end phones are high enough quality to manage (and are higher resolution than most PC monitors anyway). They also have the added benefit of being able to render graphics internally as opposed to being attached to a PC by a cord. Yeah, the graphics may not be quite as good, but the gap in perceived graphics quality between a $1000 PC and a flagship cell phone is rapidly closing. I think the Rift will be the choice of the "PC Master Race", but a solution like this is much more mass-market friendly. There's no reason a headset like this should cost more than $30 once mass-produced - and that's low enough to be an impulse purchase for a lot of people.

benologist 11y ago
If VR is going to matter for movies and tv it's only going to be on devices like this that everyone can participate on economically. Streaming game services will also close the gap between this and an expensive dedicated gaming rig per headset.
- exelius 11y ago
  Streaming games have far too much latency for VR applications. Latency requirements for VR are much lower than console games because too much latency on head tracking can cause nausea and breaks the "immersion" effect. But yeah, I agree that when VR blows up big, it'll be something like this rather than the PC-based Oculus. That solution has always felt clunky and more like a development kit than a consumer product.
aianus 11y ago
> perceived graphics quality between a $1000 PC and a flagship cell phone is rapidly closing Is this true? Can an iPhone 6S theoretically run CS:GO or Crysis (an eight year old PC game)?
- linksbro 11y ago
  Perhaps not the actual CS:GO binary - but one built on Metal could certainly come close to CS:GO on lower settings.
  - aianus 11y ago
    Wow, that's awesome! My 3-year-old video card uses 160 watts of power and roars like a jet engine running CS:GO at 1080p. It blows my mind that we've come so far so fast.
    - corysama 11y ago
      The trend lines showed a year ago that a high end smartphone in about 3 years from now (mid-way through the PS4's lifetime) will have higher paper specs than a PS4 (paper specs, not necessarily as well-utilized). An Nvidia Shield tablet is on paper roughly equivalent to an XBox360. The Shield set top box is double that. A few more doublings and the prediction will play out.
      - Narishma 11y ago
        3 years from now, the PS4 will be 5 years old and much cheaper than a high-end smartphone.
        notatoad 11y ago
        yes, but a high end smartphone will always be cheaper than a high end smartphone and a PS4. the point isn't that phones are cheaper than other things, it's that you need one anyways.
        Narishma 11y ago
        You may need a smartphone, though that's debatable, but you don't need a high-end expensive one. And those wont't have paper specs anywhere near PS4-level anytime soon.
      - hyperion2010 11y ago
        Sure, but there is no way the thermals will be there.
      - g11204944 11y ago
- g11204944 11y ago
  If you take a look at games like Deus Ex the Fall which was also ported to PC (with mobile assets even though they could have just taken the high res assets from Human Revolution) you'll see that it's not even close. You may not notice it on a tiny screen but on a monitor or a HMD it's absolutely terrible. It looks like a game from 8 years ago.
ctdonath 11y ago
The key overlooked point for VR - a point that Carmack had enough pull to persuade Samsung to address - is latency. http://oculusrift-blog.com/john-carmacks-message-of-latency/682/ http://oculusrift-blog.com/john-carmacks-message-of-latency/... The system must render "motion-to-photons" the image in less than 20ms to avoid discernible (& disorienting) lag. That's fast enough that the graphics system doesn't have time to buffer the image (which would cut available render time by a large percentage); Carmack was able to convince Samsung of the importance of "unbuffered display" in a market where otherwise nobody cares about such minute timings.
ajmurmann 11y ago
I had the chance to use the first generation of this setup together with a variety of other VR headsets a few weeks ago at a VR film festival. It was fun and worked pretty well, but non of the screen that I got to try had the needed pixel density. I was able to see the pixels on all of them, because the screen is so close to your eyes.

by exelius 11y ago

benologist 11y ago

If VR is going to matter for movies and tv it's only going to be on devices like this that everyone can participate on economically. Streaming game services will also close the gap between this and an expensive dedicated gaming rig per headset.

exelius 11y ago
Streaming games have far too much latency for VR applications. Latency requirements for VR are much lower than console games because too much latency on head tracking can cause nausea and breaks the "immersion" effect. But yeah, I agree that when VR blows up big, it'll be something like this rather than the PC-based Oculus. That solution has always felt clunky and more like a development kit than a consumer product.

aianus 11y ago

> perceived graphics quality between a $1000 PC and a flagship cell phone is rapidly closing Is this true? Can an iPhone 6S theoretically run CS:GO or Crysis (an eight year old PC game)?

linksbro 11y ago
Perhaps not the actual CS:GO binary - but one built on Metal could certainly come close to CS:GO on lower settings.
- aianus 11y ago
  Wow, that's awesome! My 3-year-old video card uses 160 watts of power and roars like a jet engine running CS:GO at 1080p. It blows my mind that we've come so far so fast.
  - corysama 11y ago
    The trend lines showed a year ago that a high end smartphone in about 3 years from now (mid-way through the PS4's lifetime) will have higher paper specs than a PS4 (paper specs, not necessarily as well-utilized). An Nvidia Shield tablet is on paper roughly equivalent to an XBox360. The Shield set top box is double that. A few more doublings and the prediction will play out.
    - Narishma 11y ago
      3 years from now, the PS4 will be 5 years old and much cheaper than a high-end smartphone.
      - notatoad 11y ago
        yes, but a high end smartphone will always be cheaper than a high end smartphone and a PS4. the point isn't that phones are cheaper than other things, it's that you need one anyways.
        Narishma 11y ago
        You may need a smartphone, though that's debatable, but you don't need a high-end expensive one. And those wont't have paper specs anywhere near PS4-level anytime soon.
    - hyperion2010 11y ago
      Sure, but there is no way the thermals will be there.
    - g11204944 11y ago
g11204944 11y ago
If you take a look at games like Deus Ex the Fall which was also ported to PC (with mobile assets even though they could have just taken the high res assets from Human Revolution) you'll see that it's not even close. You may not notice it on a tiny screen but on a monitor or a HMD it's absolutely terrible. It looks like a game from 8 years ago.

ctdonath 11y ago

The key overlooked point for VR - a point that Carmack had enough pull to persuade Samsung to address - is latency. http://oculusrift-blog.com/john-carmacks-message-of-latency/682/ http://oculusrift-blog.com/john-carmacks-message-of-latency/... The system must render "motion-to-photons" the image in less than 20ms to avoid discernible (& disorienting) lag. That's fast enough that the graphics system doesn't have time to buffer the image (which would cut available render time by a large percentage); Carmack was able to convince Samsung of the importance of "unbuffered display" in a market where otherwise nobody cares about such minute timings.

ajmurmann 11y ago

I had the chance to use the first generation of this setup together with a variety of other VR headsets a few weeks ago at a VR film festival. It was fun and worked pretty well, but non of the screen that I got to try had the needed pixel density. I was able to see the pixels on all of them, because the screen is so close to your eyes.