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Generalizations about entire nations, and about the French in particular, are tiresome and usually trite. The French are incredibly successful at producing ver
by vonnik 11y ago
Generalizations about entire nations, and about the French in particular, are tiresome and usually trite.
The French are incredibly successful at producing very smart people, whom they have exported to other economies for the last several decades, at least since the end of les trente glorieuses, or the post-War boom. French quants are famous on Wall Street and in London. Two of the most prominent researchers in deep learning, my field, are French: Yann LeCun and Yoshua Bengio. (Interestingly, they both pursued careers in North America.)
The author seems to be referring to philosophy when using the word "thought". Philosophy, like most of the humanities, is having a hard time in many countries besides France, so any analysis of its decline in France should examine transnational trends in university funding, department enrollment and the job prospects of philosophy majors, among other factors.
France has been in gentle decline for about 200 years, since Napoleon returned defeated from Moscow. They have not won a single war since then (spare me the air raids on Tripoli...). Their inability to conquer on the ground means they have exercised less and less influence in the world, despite having nuclear weapons and a seat on the security council. As an economy, they have slipped to 6th-largest GDP -- and third in Europe after the UK and Germany. No one talks about the death of German thought.
French was once on the language of diplomacy, but it's been on the wrong side of history even in the EU, where the accession of Sweden, Norway and Finland in the mid-90s made English much more important.
At home, the French have done little to renew their society or their elite, which is dominated by the alumni of a few elite schools. While Americans are aware of the ossified class structure of Great Britain, they remain largely ignorant of similar rigidities in France. But France is bad at helping its citizens realize their potential, and very good at employing bureaucrats to tell them "non." If they want better thinkers, they only have to look at the ridiculous layers of exclusion that they have built for themselves. Until they fix it, the best talent will surely flee.
- alricb 11y agoThe French won WWI, yo. It was a Pyrrhic victory, but it was a victory. That's partly why they lost WWII; they were resting on their laurels.
- kincardine 11y agoI think it would also be hard to say that France lost the Second World War. The French government signed an armistice, but France was also part of the victorious Allies (with French units being involved in both the liberation of France and the invasion of Germany).
- vonnik 11y agoGermany may have been defeated at the end of WWII, but France was routed during the war. The Germans occupied the northern parts of the country, and were widely accepted by a population of collaborators and anti-Semites. The Vichy government of the south was a puppet structure controlled by the Nazis. The French did not successfully resist, or participate in the victory in any meaningful way, until they started writing textbooks in the post-War period. France was reconquered by Americans, British and Canadian soldiers with a token French army.
- Thimothy 11y agoThe textbook comment is pretty funny, as the french from 1945 have a quite different opinion about who actually won the war. http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sondage-nation-contribue-defaite-nazis.jpg http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sondage-...
- vonnik 11y agoYeah, I think there's more acknowledgement in Europe of the sacrifices the USSR made during the war, particularly in countries like France with a strong communist tradition. But winning the war and reconquering France were two different things. The latter was an affair for the western powers.
- vonnik 11y agoSigning an Armistice is not a victory. The French and Germans both signed, after French soil was occupied for years and many of its best farmland destroyed during the war. The Germans were outmaneuvered during the negotiations of the Treaty of Versailles, because their government had been destabilized. The French were resting on their laurels every time the Germans invaded, all through the 19th century and the 20th. It's a national pass time.