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State intervention on innovation is considered harmful.

by afsina 11y ago

atmosx 11y ago
What about gun control? Does that stop innovation too?
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- atemerev 11y ago
  Sure. More gun control -> more police expenses -> more taxes -> less innovation. Try opening a company in, say, France. (This was a cruel joke. Please don't, for the sake of your sanity).
  - notNow 11y ago
    Actually More permissive & lax gun laws -> More police militarization to preserve the competitive advantage -> More govt spending local or federal -> Less spending on other sectors such as health and education BTW I'm centrist on the issue of gun ownership & carrying but I just wanted to point out the flaw in your deduction.
    - throwaway1967 11y ago
      > Actually More permissive & lax gun laws -> More police militarization to preserve the competitive advantage Are you sure your arrow there means causation? Explain like I'm five, why do you think the police feels it needs to compete with law-abiding gun-carrying citizens? I've never heard of this silly idea before, but maybe I'm silly and you have a great argument for that. If you had said "the more guns in criminals' hands, the more police militarization to preserve advantage" then I'd agree with you but I'd ask to see how you know the number of guns in criminals' hands. 0.001% of law-abiding gun holders are a problem for the police. 100% of criminals are a problem for the police, whether they're carrying guns, knives, or a closed fist.
- Vexs 11y ago
  I mean, one could claim it hampers gun innovation. Not sure the laws about that though- I wonder if they have laws that allow the creation of guns that would normally be illegal.. Not sure what afsina's point is though.
wpietri 11y ago
Yes, I'm so upset that the government funded all the initial development of the Internet, crushing things like Compuserve and AOL and AT&T's videotex offering. Who knows where we could be today if only those had been allowed to flower. (Well, I know the planet would be 3 inches deep in AOL promotional mailers. But besides that.)
- EliRivers 11y ago
  Don't forget digital computers :) No gubbermint funding and directing innovation then, no digital computer in your pocket now.
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  One example of successful state investment doesn't really say anything about what the ideal level of overall state economic intervention is. Research spending like DARPA isn't even representative of how Western governments regulate and tax.
  - wpietri 11y ago
    But one example does prove that a general rule like "state intervention on innovation is considered harmful" is too shallow to be useful.
  - robotresearcher 11y ago
    It's a pretty special example, and a perfect counterexample to a careless generalization.
- afsina 11y ago
  We will never know the opposite wont we? It is not that state is not capable of investment on innovation. They are just terrible at it. There are many rebuttals on the issue of "government is necessary for innovation". Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR4cjA-Few https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR4cjA-Few

State intervention on innovation is considered harmful.

by afsina 11y ago

State intervention on innovation is considered harmful.

atmosx 11y ago

What about gun control? Does that stop innovation too?

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atemerev 11y ago
Sure. More gun control -> more police expenses -> more taxes -> less innovation. Try opening a company in, say, France. (This was a cruel joke. Please don't, for the sake of your sanity).
- notNow 11y ago
  Actually More permissive & lax gun laws -> More police militarization to preserve the competitive advantage -> More govt spending local or federal -> Less spending on other sectors such as health and education BTW I'm centrist on the issue of gun ownership & carrying but I just wanted to point out the flaw in your deduction.
  - throwaway1967 11y ago
    > Actually More permissive & lax gun laws -> More police militarization to preserve the competitive advantage Are you sure your arrow there means causation? Explain like I'm five, why do you think the police feels it needs to compete with law-abiding gun-carrying citizens? I've never heard of this silly idea before, but maybe I'm silly and you have a great argument for that. If you had said "the more guns in criminals' hands, the more police militarization to preserve advantage" then I'd agree with you but I'd ask to see how you know the number of guns in criminals' hands. 0.001% of law-abiding gun holders are a problem for the police. 100% of criminals are a problem for the police, whether they're carrying guns, knives, or a closed fist.
Vexs 11y ago
I mean, one could claim it hampers gun innovation. Not sure the laws about that though- I wonder if they have laws that allow the creation of guns that would normally be illegal.. Not sure what afsina's point is though.

wpietri 11y ago

Yes, I'm so upset that the government funded all the initial development of the Internet, crushing things like Compuserve and AOL and AT&T's videotex offering. Who knows where we could be today if only those had been allowed to flower. (Well, I know the planet would be 3 inches deep in AOL promotional mailers. But besides that.)

EliRivers 11y ago
Don't forget digital computers :) No gubbermint funding and directing innovation then, no digital computer in your pocket now.
marcoperaza 11y ago
One example of successful state investment doesn't really say anything about what the ideal level of overall state economic intervention is. Research spending like DARPA isn't even representative of how Western governments regulate and tax.
- wpietri 11y ago
  But one example does prove that a general rule like "state intervention on innovation is considered harmful" is too shallow to be useful.
- robotresearcher 11y ago
  It's a pretty special example, and a perfect counterexample to a careless generalization.
afsina 11y ago
We will never know the opposite wont we? It is not that state is not capable of investment on innovation. They are just terrible at it. There are many rebuttals on the issue of "government is necessary for innovation". Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR4cjA-Few https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR4cjA-Few