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I find this black hole information debate akin to medieval ramblings on amount of angels dancing on diamond pin head. Can we please move on a little and come ba

I find this black hole information debate akin to medieval ramblings on amount of angels dancing on diamond pin head. Can we please move on a little and come back when we have new angle?

mojuba 11y ago
Exactly. I call it exploitation of the unknown. You can generate lots of "theories" by just combining a couple of mysterious things into one. For example, something that hasn't been tried yet afaict, is a theory that black holes are a gateway between the physical world and human consciousness (or self-awareness).
- LoSboccacc 11y ago
  Oh i like the what if games. Black hole (as singularities that may have formed without collapsing stars) played a central role in early universe by swallowing matter and anti matter and radiating energy by hawking radiation which then fueled energy decay into standard matter, and that may explain the current imbalance between matter and anti matter or it may be mad internet rambling. Still medium worthy?
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Your theory is so important that it will get evaluated no matter what. And today it is vague and baseless, a speculation. We're seeing a lot of speculations around black holes, most of them obviously turn out wrong.
  - witty_username 11y ago
    Your theory doesn't make much sense. There's really nothing special about "normal" matter vs antimatter. You could as easily call the matter I'm made of antimatter and reverse the names and the physics is the same for both.
    - lern_too_spel 11y ago
      You've set up a strawman. The GP doesn't claim that there's anything special about antimatter. He simply provides a wacky explanation for the unsolved problem of baryon asymmetry.
      - Qwertious 11y ago
        The question is: Why would the black holes swallow up more antimatter than matter, if everything is completely symmetrical?
- ubernostrum 11y ago
  There is actually a reason to care about black holes and information loss: no information loss is a consequence of assumptions baked in to how we do a lot of physics, so if information truly is lost that has consequences beyond just "how a black hole works".
marcosdumay 11y ago
The fact that some very smart people are on this debate should hint you that it's something more than this. But still, that's a perfectly valid oppinion. It may well be that entropy decreases as matter gets into a black hole. People just expect otherwise.
aabbccdd 11y ago
Then you might consider Thunderbolts Project worth of looking at: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject It's about ongoing explorations of the Electric Universe theory.

I find this black hole information debate akin to medieval ramblings on amount of angels dancing on diamond pin head. Can we please move on a little and come back when we have new angle?

mojuba 11y ago

Exactly. I call it exploitation of the unknown. You can generate lots of "theories" by just combining a couple of mysterious things into one. For example, something that hasn't been tried yet afaict, is a theory that black holes are a gateway between the physical world and human consciousness (or self-awareness).

LoSboccacc 11y ago
Oh i like the what if games. Black hole (as singularities that may have formed without collapsing stars) played a central role in early universe by swallowing matter and anti matter and radiating energy by hawking radiation which then fueled energy decay into standard matter, and that may explain the current imbalance between matter and anti matter or it may be mad internet rambling. Still medium worthy?
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Your theory is so important that it will get evaluated no matter what. And today it is vague and baseless, a speculation. We're seeing a lot of speculations around black holes, most of them obviously turn out wrong.
- witty_username 11y ago
  Your theory doesn't make much sense. There's really nothing special about "normal" matter vs antimatter. You could as easily call the matter I'm made of antimatter and reverse the names and the physics is the same for both.
  - lern_too_spel 11y ago
    You've set up a strawman. The GP doesn't claim that there's anything special about antimatter. He simply provides a wacky explanation for the unsolved problem of baryon asymmetry.
    - Qwertious 11y ago
      The question is: Why would the black holes swallow up more antimatter than matter, if everything is completely symmetrical?
ubernostrum 11y ago
There is actually a reason to care about black holes and information loss: no information loss is a consequence of assumptions baked in to how we do a lot of physics, so if information truly is lost that has consequences beyond just "how a black hole works".

marcosdumay 11y ago

The fact that some very smart people are on this debate should hint you that it's something more than this. But still, that's a perfectly valid oppinion. It may well be that entropy decreases as matter gets into a black hole. People just expect otherwise.

aabbccdd 11y ago

Then you might consider Thunderbolts Project worth of looking at: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject It's about ongoing explorations of the Electric Universe theory.