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I don't think solitary would be that bad with Internet access and TV. Maybe the problem isn't solitary but that they don't get these things. Also I would prefe

I don't think solitary would be that bad with Internet access and TV. Maybe the problem isn't solitary but that they don't get these things. Also I would prefer not to have a cellmate in prison.

gadrfgaesgysd 11y ago
Internet gives you a way to communicate. For some it is the main way of doing so, they function normally( more or less ), and they aren't even in prison. It would go against their "policy" of isolating prisoners, however unsuccessful it is at rehabilitation.
- tired_man 11y ago
  Without any agenda, I suggest you research why some prisoners are in permanent isolation. A large percentage of them are there because they assault/murder other inmates or guards.
  - aw3c2 11y ago
    A cage with bars would be better than isolation.
  - tveita 11y ago
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-shane-bauer http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confine... "four years ago Pennington was "validated" by prison staff as an associate of a prison gang (one formed on the inside, as opposed to a street gang). That's the reason he and thousands of others are in the SHU with no exit date." "Gang evidence comes in countless forms. Possession of Machiavelli's The Prince, Robert Greene's The 48 Laws of Power, or Sun Tzu's The Art of War has been invoked as evidence. One inmate's validation includes a Christmas card with stars drawn on it—alleged gang symbols—among Hershey's Kisses and a candy cane. Another included a poetry booklet the inmate had coauthored with a validated BGF member. One poem reflected on what it was like to feel human touch after 14 years and another warned against spreading HIV. The only reference to violence was the line, "this senseless dying gotta end."" "THE DECISION to put a man in solitary indefinitely is made at internal hearings that last, prisoners say, about 20 minutes. They are closed-door affairs. CDCR told me I couldn't witness one. No one can." "At one point he initiated a hunger strike that involved 120 inmates. Two days later, he was put in ad-seg for "conspiracy to assault staff." The claim was based on confidential information that the person in charge of reviewing ad-seg assignments later found did not exist; it couldn't be found anywhere in his file. He spent a year in isolation." e: to state the point explicitly, few conclusions can be drawn from the official records because the standard of evidence is near zero, the guards can write anything they like, and they do.
    - tired_man 11y ago
      Okay. So, what about the others? Putting forth several (dozens?) cases where solitary was wrongly imposed does in no way make that case for the majority, now does it? Given that logic, you could make the argument for a single incident of <pick a color> person killing a <pick a different color> person to mean that all <pick a color> people are raving racist murderers. Personally, I'm not in favour of prison for violent offenders.
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Perdition 11y ago
Solitary confinement isn't just a single occupancy cell. Generally it means a cell where the prisoner is isolated from other prisoners. What drives people crazy is not even being able to talk to another human being.
jonknee 11y ago
A cellmate and no contact with people ever are different things though. You don't even see the guards when food is delivered, it's shoved through a hole in the door. Recreation meant being in a concrete walled yard alone. It's literally worse than a modern zoo.
- macNchz 11y ago
  I start to get a bit cabin-feverish on the odd weekend when most of my friends are out of town and I spend a couple of days alone...and even then I talk to a few people. It feels awful just imagining what it would be like to spend years in solitary confinement. A form of hell for sure.

I don't think solitary would be that bad with Internet access and TV. Maybe the problem isn't solitary but that they don't get these things. Also I would prefer not to have a cellmate in prison.

gadrfgaesgysd 11y ago

Internet gives you a way to communicate. For some it is the main way of doing so, they function normally( more or less ), and they aren't even in prison. It would go against their "policy" of isolating prisoners, however unsuccessful it is at rehabilitation.

tired_man 11y ago
Without any agenda, I suggest you research why some prisoners are in permanent isolation. A large percentage of them are there because they assault/murder other inmates or guards.
- aw3c2 11y ago
  A cage with bars would be better than isolation.
- tveita 11y ago
  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-shane-bauer http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confine... "four years ago Pennington was "validated" by prison staff as an associate of a prison gang (one formed on the inside, as opposed to a street gang). That's the reason he and thousands of others are in the SHU with no exit date." "Gang evidence comes in countless forms. Possession of Machiavelli's The Prince, Robert Greene's The 48 Laws of Power, or Sun Tzu's The Art of War has been invoked as evidence. One inmate's validation includes a Christmas card with stars drawn on it—alleged gang symbols—among Hershey's Kisses and a candy cane. Another included a poetry booklet the inmate had coauthored with a validated BGF member. One poem reflected on what it was like to feel human touch after 14 years and another warned against spreading HIV. The only reference to violence was the line, "this senseless dying gotta end."" "THE DECISION to put a man in solitary indefinitely is made at internal hearings that last, prisoners say, about 20 minutes. They are closed-door affairs. CDCR told me I couldn't witness one. No one can." "At one point he initiated a hunger strike that involved 120 inmates. Two days later, he was put in ad-seg for "conspiracy to assault staff." The claim was based on confidential information that the person in charge of reviewing ad-seg assignments later found did not exist; it couldn't be found anywhere in his file. He spent a year in isolation." e: to state the point explicitly, few conclusions can be drawn from the official records because the standard of evidence is near zero, the guards can write anything they like, and they do.
  - tired_man 11y ago
    Okay. So, what about the others? Putting forth several (dozens?) cases where solitary was wrongly imposed does in no way make that case for the majority, now does it? Given that logic, you could make the argument for a single incident of <pick a color> person killing a <pick a different color> person to mean that all <pick a color> people are raving racist murderers. Personally, I'm not in favour of prison for violent offenders.

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Perdition 11y ago

Solitary confinement isn't just a single occupancy cell. Generally it means a cell where the prisoner is isolated from other prisoners. What drives people crazy is not even being able to talk to another human being.

jonknee 11y ago

A cellmate and no contact with people ever are different things though. You don't even see the guards when food is delivered, it's shoved through a hole in the door. Recreation meant being in a concrete walled yard alone. It's literally worse than a modern zoo.

macNchz 11y ago
I start to get a bit cabin-feverish on the odd weekend when most of my friends are out of town and I spend a couple of days alone...and even then I talk to a few people. It feels awful just imagining what it would be like to spend years in solitary confinement. A form of hell for sure.