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Bernie Sanders' 404 page
- rabidonrails 11y agoI can't be the only person who thinks he sounds like Seinfeld's George Steinbrenner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
- mikesickler 11y agoYou're not. And it makes sense, since Sanders and Larry David (who voiced Steinbrenner on the show) are both from Brooklyn.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoIsn't it Bernie Sanders', not *Bernie Sander's? (Edit: or Sanders's, indeed. That's what I'd usually write.)
- billpg 11y agoPeople with names ending in S shouldn't be allowed to own things!
- thesteamboat 11y agoWith attitudes like that, it's no wonder he's a socialist.
- albedoa 11y agoThere's a style choice. I prefer: Bernie Sanders's We can agree that the title is clearly wrong :D (In case it gets fixed, the title was submitted with: Sander's)
- keeganpoppen 11y agoBernie Sanders's'
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- yellowapple 11y agoBernie S'anders.
- raldi 11y agoActually, if you want to get technical, it should be "Bernies Sander".
- Someone1234 11y agoNo, because that's not his name. His name is Bernard Sanders and he goes by "Bernie." So Bernie Sanders, or expanded out to Sanders's or Sanders' are correct.
- insensible 11y agoMost styles render this as Bernie Sanders’s. In some circles this rendering (Bernie Sanders’) is correct. Reasonable people disagree: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/possessive-of-proper-names-ending-in-s/ http://www.dailywritingtips.com/possessive-of-proper-names-e... but those are the only two correct versions.
- Someone1234 11y agoThe way I always understood it is that originally the s's (Sanders's dog) style was considered correct, and that the s' (Sanders' dog) style was a shorthand version for informal writing (so in formal writing it would be "sanders's dog" and in letters to a friend it might be "sanders' dog"). But as with all things, informal writing was more popular than formal writing, and eventually the s' style grew in such popularity that it became valid and understood in its own right. So now effectively we have two "correct" ways of representing the same thing, a "long form" version and a "short form" version. The way I was always taught it (in a stuffy English secondary school) was that consistency within a single text is the most important thing, if you write s's once, you have to use it everywhere else also (ex. quotes).
- coldpie 11y agoI think it's much more likely that s' is and has always been incorrect, but the error is so frequently committed that it has become "correct". Language does evolve, after all. Snark: Given the current rate of apostrophe-abuse, I look forward to the apostrophe merging with the S at the end of words to form a new final-S character, which eventually usurps S entirely re'sulting word's that were 'spelled wrong becoming correct, and creating very weird form's of po's'se's'sive noun's: Jame's''s.
- coldpie 11y agoMost manuals of style say that "Sanders's" is most correct, but will allow for "Sanders'". I strongly prefer the former. It's logical if you think of it: s' is always for plural nouns that end in S, 's is always for singular. "The cats' milk" vs "James's hand." This way also matches pronunciation. It gets tricky to keep straight when you have plural nouns that don't end in S. I know "Men's clothes" is correct. But I'm not sure what to do with fish. "The fish's pond"? "The fishes' pond"? (In any case, just because a word ends in S does not mean it needs an apostrophe. Many, many English writers need this lessen pounded into their head. I lose brain cells every time I see someone write "want's".)
- a3n 11y agoI was in Sears (where America used to shop) and saw "Mens clothes".
- dhimes 11y agoThat's not the problem. The problem is that his name is Sanders, not Sander.
- r3bl 11y agoMan, it's no wonder that people like me two aren't speaking English natively get confused about that whole *'s thing.
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- sdenton4 11y agoI agree that there's no need to dereference Bernie.
- philangist 11y agoI don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.
- alwaysAttending 11y agoIt's funny because that's a general sentiment among Sanders supporters. They like the way he sounds but don't really follow politics. The reality is his policy isn't all that good. It's just very utopian sounding so people love it. Take his Free College For all Bill. It sounds nice doesn't it? Free College for all! I can support that! But in reality it's quite flawed. Beyond the fact that it's just a new 50 billion dollar tax (and the expectation that States will cover the other 20 billion) applied wholesale over the current 70 billion dollars in tuition paid by public college school students, it's got some really questionable clauses that would undoubtedly raise prices. Here are some choice requirements put on the schools: (6) provide an assurance that not later than 5 years after the date of enactment of this Act, not less than 75 percent of instruction at public institutions of higher education in the State is provided by 10 tenured or tenure-track faculty; (B) Increasing the number and percentage of full-time instructional faculty. (C) Providing all faculty with professional supports to help students succeed, such as pro- 9 fessional development opportunities, office 10 space, and shared governance in the institution. (D) Compensating part-time faculty for work done outside of the classroom relating to instruction, such as holding office hours. (E) Strengthening and ensuring all students have access to student support services such as academic advising, counseling, and tutoring. On top of that it actually states states must: ensure that public institutions of higher education in the State maintain per-pupil expenditures on instruction at levels that meet or exceed the expenditures for the previous fiscal year; Even if the 70 billion dollars in taxes comes, how are states supposed to support all of this 10+ years down the line? There are absolutely no cose saving measures in his plan. It is all just utopian fluff. Source (worth the read): http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforall/?inline=file http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforall/?inline...
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- VMG 11y agonot really interesting content 55 upvotes and 4 comments weird.. EDIT: 5 new upvotes in less than a minute
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- morganvachon 11y agoHe's an interesting candidate. From what I've seen he's not your typical politician, and he seems to mesh well with the current twentysomething crowd despite being from the tail end of the "Greatest Generation" himself. I don't know how much of a chance he has to win the presidency, but I can say that I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy).
- spoiledtechie 11y agoAre you comfortable with a socialist leading a capitalist society? I sure am not.
- morganvachon 11y agoThis kind of weaselly divisiveness is exactly why I don't get political. There is no answer to your question that can't be twisted into calling me a socialist/Marxist/communist/Nazi/pinhead just because I happen to like a certain candidate who does things differently than the usual Clinton/Trump types.
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoA social democrat leading a mixed market society is a pretty frequent state of affairs.
- dalke 11y agoWhat do you have against Nelson Mandela's leadership of South Africa? Of Olof Palme's leadership of Sweden? François Mitterrand's leadership of France? All of them were socialists who lead a capitalist society. What makes you uncomfortable about them or their leadership?
- arjunrc 11y agoDoes anyone have a transcript for this? For the folks like me, who have access issues at work.
- pil4rin 11y agoHi, this is senator Bernie Sanders the good news is you're at the right website- and it's a really good website. The bad news is you're at the wrong page. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll find your way back home to where you should be. Thanks very much for being a part of our campaign.
- mrtobo 11y agoHe says "scoot down", not "scroll..." Corrected: Hi, this is senator Bernie Sanders. The good news is you're on the right website - and it's a really good website - the bad news is you're at the wrong page. Just scoot down to the bottom of the page and you'll find your way back home to where you should be. Thanks very much for being a part of our campaign.
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- ceejayoz 11y agoThere seems to be a trend to interesting/funny 404s for presidential campaigns. https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ has a "thanks, Obama" GIF meme. https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka blames the 404 on Obama with #ThanksObama" too.
- incepted 11y agoJindal's page has a donation gadget on its 404 page... Classy.
- aqme28 11y agoI fail to see what's wrong with that. Bernie's 404 lets you register for his email list.
- bkmartin 11y agoWhat is wrong with that? It is an election campaign... you are visiting their website, they are going to ask for money. It is not like this is some "free" product that starts charging all of a sudden. Money drives the machine, doesn't mean I agree with it, just the facts. So why not throw the right hook?
- patorjk 11y agoFor the barackobama.com 404 page I got a message that said "Sorry, we couldn't fetch that page for you." and a gif of some dogs chasing after a ball.
- dmschulman 11y agoI think we have The Atlantic to point to for making campaign 404 pages a "thing". They've been including a blurb about the 404 page on each candidate's website on their 2016 Election Cheat Sheet (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/2016-election/384828/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/2016-ele...) 404 pages are an opportunity to hide an easter egg but I wonder what presidential 404 page got The Atlantic focused on this trend in the first place.
- jnpatel 11y agoI'm just curious from where in his campaign management the impetus to pay attention to this sort of detail would have come.
- abrahamepton 11y agoMy guess, from having worked on statewide campaigns and following politics for my entire adult life (which is to say, I have no fucking clue but am happy to posit my opinion): his campaign knows their base includes a lot of young tech-savvy folks, and their tech team (who is well aware of this fact) wrote a quick script for him to spend a few minutes reading in front of a camera one day when he was at HQ. I would imagine the entire point was to generate exactly this discussion on exactly this (and a handful of other similar) website(s).
- iamthepieman 11y agoI wonder if this says more about Bernie or more about his supporters. The video almost reminds me of how I talk my 88 year old grandfather through computer tasks.
- mgiannopoulos 11y agoAn auto-loading video just because you ended up on a wrong URL? With a great part of visitors being on mobile, is this really the best use for bandwidth?
- davidy123 11y agoIt's not a good 404 though. Telling people to go back home and search, while probably the site reorganized their content without providing updated pointers.
- zxcvcxz 11y agoNot to mention it's an autoplay video with sound... Let's be honest, this is getting upvoted because it's Bernie Sanders.
- kazinator 11y agoMost 404 accesses are from people probing a server for common URL's belonging to vulnerable web applications. Thus my 404 page is a honeypot, and too many 404 accesses in a short period results in an automatic IP ban.
- taf2 11y agoJust be sure it's not an ip that many legit users are passing through ... Like in the days when dial up aol users would all pass through the same IP.
- kazinator 11y agoAll dial-up users being on the same IP would be tremendously convenient on the SMTP defense front, on the other hand.
- kkl 11y agoA somewhat-related honeypot that I have seen: Include a directory "visiting-this-will-ban-you" in your robots.txt that IP bans whomever visits it.
- 3pt14159 11y agoI would reconsider this approach that you have. I run web crawlers for fun and profit and there are several pages that you can assume a website might have, like robots.txt, humans.txt, sitemap.xml, sitemaps/sitemap-index.xml, blog.example.com, blog, etc. If someone is trying to get to admin.php, sure, ban them. Or if they are not following robots.txt. But sitemaps are not reliable enough sometimes and not all crawlers are meanies.
- mxfh 11y agoWish he could possibly record a video response for all the HTTP status codes. Especially interested in 417 Expectation Failed and 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons
- dataker 11y agoIt might seem weird for young adults, but many 60+ would believe it's a quite useful and easy 404.
- mindcrime 11y agoI'm no fan of Bernie Sanders in general, but I have to admit, that was pretty nifty. Good jooooeerrrrb, Sanders Team!
- lnanek2 11y agoPretty nice UX, actually. Even a stereotypical grandma with no knowledge of the internet would probably have a high change of getting being told to scoot down to the nav below with a hand gesture and head back. Bet it retains users on the site better than a 404 without the video would.
- quotedmycode 11y agoI've been following him since I took the 'isidewith' quiz. I hadn't even heard of him before, but he's 96% compatible with my stances. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone instead of voting for a certain candidate, voted on the issues, and the candidate who voted most like the population would win... and their votes would be made public.
- ohitsdom 11y agoA blind vote. I can dig it.
- tvanantwerp 11y agoI took the isidewith quiz and got something like 80% for Bernie Sanders. Then I took the quiz, intentionally answering the opposite of everything I actually believe. Still about 80% for Bernie Sanders. I'm at a loss.
- natmaster 11y agoIt's called propaganda.
- tomjen3 11y agoWarning: the page auto plays a video. Apparently its HTML5 so flashblockers don't work.