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I have to disagree; apprenticeships work perfectly fine in IT. Yes, technology moves fast and if one wants to stay current in the field, one has to keep learni
by esarbe 11y ago
I have to disagree; apprenticeships work perfectly fine in IT.
Yes, technology moves fast and if one wants to stay current in the field, one has to keep learning.
But the fundamentals remain the same. It has been forty years since TAoCP was published for the first time. Has it become irrelevant? Hell, no. Has logic or maths changed because of this year's fad? Of course not.
Is four years a long time? Not if you want to give a young person a thorough education and a solid understanding of the craft, from the foundations up.
Instead, you know, of just train them to hammer out code in the currently most hyped language, without really knowing what they are doing and why it all works.
Teach concepts, not implementations.
Edit: Typo, standpoint clarification.
- slackson 11y agoI don't think you're disagreeing here. Kalium is saying that an apprenticeship model is the wrong way to teach these skills.
- esarbe 11y agoThat's exactly where I disagree. In my opinion, the apprenticeship model works quite well in IT. I guess I'm biased here; I grew up in Switzerland and did an apprenticeship in IT. Also, the company I've been working for the last five years has had apprentices since it's very beginnings and most of the apprentices chose to stay afterwards.
- Kalium 11y agoApprenticeships, as typically proposed in a context such as this one or in bootcamps, don't teach fundamentals and train skills. They skip the former in favor of getting to the latter more quickly. Skip logic and math in favor of React and Bootstrap, that sort of thing. That is what I am saying is a poor fit. None of the items on this list, last I looked, are four-year apprenticeships that include CS fundamentals.
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- spacecowboy_lon 11y agoGot any examples in real IT jobs of an apprenticeships working? Most IT jobs start after the level of an apprentice.
- cromwellryan 11y agoWe feel our's has worked well for us, the apprentices we've hired, and those that have found careers after our apprenticeship.
- walshemj 11y agoBut to be honest your actually training technicians - I would bet labelling some one with lower status is not helping.
- cromwellryan 11y agoI don't believe so and I don't know that you have the insight into our program or our results to honestly make that evaluation.
- walshemj 11y agoWell I did start out as a mech eng tech on the vocational track so I actually have experience. Its more the perception that you will give others that "professional" software development is a lesser profession. The other professions call this CPD imagine a junior doctor being told now you have your md your going to be doing an aprentiship the AMA would go nuts!