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Sure, but it's been played in Japan for over 1000 years, which is plenty long enough to have developed "ancient Japanese wisdom".

by lambda 11y ago

coldtea 11y ago
"Ancient Japanese wisdom" (and art, philosophy, etc) is mostly re-packaged ancient Chinese wisdom.
- coldtea 11y ago
  Perhaps some people thought this was some kind of racist remark? I'm not Chinese, and this is a historical fact. Japanese borrowed heavily from the (earlier and more advanced) Chinese civilization.
  - ousta 11y ago
    so on the assumption that go is a chinese game, japanese cant have a wisdom on it? that would be same than saying: Ok C-UNIX has been made by an american guy so no one can have wisdom on it except americans?
    - coldtea 11y ago
      Sure they can, hence the "mostly" part. Of course in the course of centuries they've also diverged, as the once underdeveloped (compared to China) Japan started developing its own identity and variations. Heck, even the 20th century provided enough rapid variation between the 2 countries. That why I was talking about the "ancient wisdom" being repackaged.
- lambda 11y ago
  In some cases, yes, but there is a lot of it that has diverged in the years since. In the case of Go, while it originated in China, it really flourished in Japan and the Japanese developed it a lot further, up through the beginning of the 20th century. Throughout the 20th century, Go has gotten a lot bigger in China and Korea (where it is known as weiqi and baduk, respectively), and they are now generally favored in international matches, but before then, the Japanese were quite dominant. As far as other pieces of culture, yes, the roots of a lot of Japanese culture come from Chinese culture. But they have had thousands of years to become distinct; calling them just "re-packaged ancient Chinese wisdom" is pretty dismissive. It is good to recognize the roots, and sometimes the Japanese themselves are a bit xenophobic about that, not recognizing those things that developed from the Chinese, but dismissing their entire culture as re-packaged Chinese culture is equally rude.

Sure, but it's been played in Japan for over 1000 years, which is plenty long enough to have developed "ancient Japanese wisdom".

by lambda 11y ago

Sure, but it's been played in Japan for over 1000 years, which is plenty long enough to have developed "ancient Japanese wisdom".

coldtea 11y ago

"Ancient Japanese wisdom" (and art, philosophy, etc) is mostly re-packaged ancient Chinese wisdom.

coldtea 11y ago
Perhaps some people thought this was some kind of racist remark? I'm not Chinese, and this is a historical fact. Japanese borrowed heavily from the (earlier and more advanced) Chinese civilization.
- ousta 11y ago
  so on the assumption that go is a chinese game, japanese cant have a wisdom on it? that would be same than saying: Ok C-UNIX has been made by an american guy so no one can have wisdom on it except americans?
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Sure they can, hence the "mostly" part. Of course in the course of centuries they've also diverged, as the once underdeveloped (compared to China) Japan started developing its own identity and variations. Heck, even the 20th century provided enough rapid variation between the 2 countries. That why I was talking about the "ancient wisdom" being repackaged.
lambda 11y ago
In some cases, yes, but there is a lot of it that has diverged in the years since. In the case of Go, while it originated in China, it really flourished in Japan and the Japanese developed it a lot further, up through the beginning of the 20th century. Throughout the 20th century, Go has gotten a lot bigger in China and Korea (where it is known as weiqi and baduk, respectively), and they are now generally favored in international matches, but before then, the Japanese were quite dominant. As far as other pieces of culture, yes, the roots of a lot of Japanese culture come from Chinese culture. But they have had thousands of years to become distinct; calling them just "re-packaged ancient Chinese wisdom" is pretty dismissive. It is good to recognize the roots, and sometimes the Japanese themselves are a bit xenophobic about that, not recognizing those things that developed from the Chinese, but dismissing their entire culture as re-packaged Chinese culture is equally rude.