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> just because they've become more open with their software Visual Studio Community Edition is unsuitable for any medium sized company. dotNET's openness does

by _pmf_ 11y ago

> just because they've become more open with their software Visual Studio Community Edition is unsuitable for any medium sized company. dotNET's openness does not extend to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms). The new openness is purely a communication effort; they take care to communicate their openness without changing anything. It's disconcerting to see that they need developers more than developers need them.

manigandham 11y ago
Any medium sized company probably shouldn't be using Visual Studio Community Edition... also it goes pretty far in what it can do from what I've seen.
- _pmf_ 11y ago
  > also it goes pretty far in what it can do from what I've seen I'm not talking about the features; the license restricts usage by company size.
nkassis 11y ago
They are taking small steps one at a time. "dotNET's openness does not extend to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms)." Well I disagree with this, there is a lot of good stuff in what they are opening. The new version of Asp.Net, Roslyn, CLR and more are all interesting things that you can use to make real products without WPF and WinForms. Also they release other really cool things like TypeScript etc... I no Microsoft fan at all but you gotta give them some credit for what they did this past year.
sklogic 11y ago
> to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms) I always had an impression that all this GUI stuff is only interesting to a relatively small minority of the .NET users. Am I wrong?
talles 11y ago
> dotNET's openness does not extend to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms). Are you kidding me? https://github.com/dotnet/core https://github.com/dotnet/core https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn
zamalek 11y ago
VS community is unlicensed for any medium sized company. You can't complain about something that you are stealing.
- marcosdumay 11y ago
  What? It's free software, but one does not have a license to use it? What kind of free software is that? (And no, I didn't read the license, I don't know either way.)
  - zamalek 11y ago
    It is freely licensed for personal, OSS and small teams. You do not get the free license grant for other uses. It's like using GPL code in closed source software. GPL is free but has conditions about that free license that gets granted to you. > I didn't read the license Oh boy... Keep that up and you're going to have interesting times ahead of you. Always read licenses, or at the very least (if you can't be asked to deal with legalese) find a summary somewhere.
    - marcosdumay 11y ago
      I don't use this software. I have no reason to read the license.
      - zamalek 11y ago
        With such a snide retort, why ask for the facts in the first place?

by _pmf_ 11y ago

manigandham 11y ago

Any medium sized company probably shouldn't be using Visual Studio Community Edition... also it goes pretty far in what it can do from what I've seen.

_pmf_ 11y ago
> also it goes pretty far in what it can do from what I've seen I'm not talking about the features; the license restricts usage by company size.

nkassis 11y ago

They are taking small steps one at a time. "dotNET's openness does not extend to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms)." Well I disagree with this, there is a lot of good stuff in what they are opening. The new version of Asp.Net, Roslyn, CLR and more are all interesting things that you can use to make real products without WPF and WinForms. Also they release other really cool things like TypeScript etc... I no Microsoft fan at all but you gotta give them some credit for what they did this past year.

sklogic 11y ago

> to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms) I always had an impression that all this GUI stuff is only interesting to a relatively small minority of the .NET users. Am I wrong?

talles 11y ago

> dotNET's openness does not extend to the actually interesting parts (WPF, WinForms). Are you kidding me? https://github.com/dotnet/core https://github.com/dotnet/core https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn

zamalek 11y ago

VS community is unlicensed for any medium sized company. You can't complain about something that you are stealing.

marcosdumay 11y ago
What? It's free software, but one does not have a license to use it? What kind of free software is that? (And no, I didn't read the license, I don't know either way.)
- zamalek 11y ago
  It is freely licensed for personal, OSS and small teams. You do not get the free license grant for other uses. It's like using GPL code in closed source software. GPL is free but has conditions about that free license that gets granted to you. > I didn't read the license Oh boy... Keep that up and you're going to have interesting times ahead of you. Always read licenses, or at the very least (if you can't be asked to deal with legalese) find a summary somewhere.
  - marcosdumay 11y ago
    I don't use this software. I have no reason to read the license.
    - zamalek 11y ago
      With such a snide retort, why ask for the facts in the first place?