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China trying to get tech credibility by restricting exports of supercomputers made using Intel chips? Hilarious.

igravious 11y ago
I'm getting sick of the this sort of sardonic racism on HN, and it never gets called out. I'm from Europe and I can see what's happening. China starts making progress so US starts jeering every twist and turn. Give it a rest already. Same happened way back with Japan and all the jokes made back then. Here's a story from 2011 about the Chinese building a supercomputer based on its own tech. Name me how many countries have done that? So, can I just ask HN comment people to please stop with the comments like this, it's gone beyond tiresome to annoying. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/world/asia/china-unveils-supercomputer-based-on-its-own-microprocessor-chips.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/world/asia/china-unveils-s...
- Frozenlock 11y ago
  How is that racism?
  - sampo 11y ago
    In Europe, compared to US, 'racism' can have a bit different meaning. (Not that its nuances aren't debated inside US as well.)
    - ajross 11y ago
      OK, I'll bite. How is that racism in Europe?
      - sampo 11y ago
        In general, the left side of the political spectrum has a much stronger part in politics, and discussion, in Europe, compared to US. Continental Europe even more than UK. (Which can make it more difficult to follow the discussions, as it is mostly in other languages than in English.) Consequently, they also have more influence on the use and definition of words and concept used in political debate. To get to the the heart of this, you probably would need to find a European leftist to talk with. I am writing this under the assumption that /u/igravious is one. Or, he could just be a bit of a jerk.
  - igravious 11y ago
    Why shouldn't the largest economy in the world be able to produce high tech microprocessors? The suggestion that they'd be banning the export of Intel processors is dumb. The "Hilarious" is just icing. To me the whole comment smacks of racism. What would you call it? I knew I'd get down-voted for saying it, and I've held my tongue in the past. But it's nearly every article about China now. These sardonic off-the-cuff remarks. It's so accepted here, and it shouldn't be. So I'm calling it out.
    - Frozenlock 11y ago
      That doesn't answer my question.
    - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
      Just to be factual, China outside of Taiwan still lacks the ability/technology to fab a modern microprocessor using a competitive process. Fab technology is incredibly restricted, not just by governments but the companies themselves. China doesn't export CPU processors, they import from Intel like everyone else. I believe there is a fab in Singapore, but I'm not sure what generation they are at. There is a testing facility in chengdu, at least.
      - igravious 11y ago
        Intel, though globally important, are not the only game in town. This article suggests that there are numerous Chinese companies trying to make the grade: "Semiconductor Manufacturing International (SMIC), Shanghai Huali Microelectronics (HLMC), Shanghai HuaHong NEC Electronics Company (HHNEC), Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing and Advanced Semiconductor Manufacturing (ASMC)" http://qz.com/72542/china-just-surpassed-the-us-in-semiconductor-manufacturing-and-the-trend-is-likely-to-accelerate/ http://qz.com/72542/china-just-surpassed-the-us-in-semicondu... > "McKinsey’s proprietary research indicates that more than 50 percent of PCs, and between 30 and 40 percent of embedded systems (commonly found in automotive, commercial, consumer, industrial, and medical applications), contain content designed in China," http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/high_tech_telecoms_internet/semiconductors_in_china_brave_new_world_or_same_old_story http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/high_tech_telecoms_internet... > "Compared to 2008, consumption of semiconductor materials in North America is down $250 million to $4.74 billion, while in China consumption has shot up 42% to $5.07 billion."
- l33tbro 11y ago
  For me tiresome usually supercedes annoying. Oh, and how exactly is this sardonic racism? Genuinely curious.
- girvo 11y ago
  > I'm getting sick of the this sort of sardonic racism on HN, and it never gets called out. So am I, but your parent is not being sardonically racist at all.
- fspeech 11y ago
  Maybe it is racism, maybe not. But I do appreciate your speaking up. This kind of egotistical display is tiresome in a tech forum.
joonoro 11y ago
Why would the country that currently holds the world record on computing speed need "tech credibility?"
- fspeech 11y ago
  The parent post is rather ignorant in equating supercomputer with microprocessor.

I'm getting sick of the this sort of sardonic racism on HN, and it never gets called out. I'm from Europe and I can see what's happening. China starts making progress so US starts jeering every twist and turn. Give it a rest already. Same happened way back with Japan and all the jokes made back then. Here's a story from 2011 about the Chinese building a supercomputer based on its own tech. Name me how many countries have done that? So, can I just ask HN comment people to please stop with the comments like this, it's gone beyond tiresome to annoying. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/world/asia/china-unveils-supercomputer-based-on-its-own-microprocessor-chips.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/world/asia/china-unveils-s...

Frozenlock 11y ago
How is that racism?
- sampo 11y ago
  In Europe, compared to US, 'racism' can have a bit different meaning. (Not that its nuances aren't debated inside US as well.)
  - ajross 11y ago
    OK, I'll bite. How is that racism in Europe?
    - sampo 11y ago
      In general, the left side of the political spectrum has a much stronger part in politics, and discussion, in Europe, compared to US. Continental Europe even more than UK. (Which can make it more difficult to follow the discussions, as it is mostly in other languages than in English.) Consequently, they also have more influence on the use and definition of words and concept used in political debate. To get to the the heart of this, you probably would need to find a European leftist to talk with. I am writing this under the assumption that /u/igravious is one. Or, he could just be a bit of a jerk.
- igravious 11y ago
  Why shouldn't the largest economy in the world be able to produce high tech microprocessors? The suggestion that they'd be banning the export of Intel processors is dumb. The "Hilarious" is just icing. To me the whole comment smacks of racism. What would you call it? I knew I'd get down-voted for saying it, and I've held my tongue in the past. But it's nearly every article about China now. These sardonic off-the-cuff remarks. It's so accepted here, and it shouldn't be. So I'm calling it out.
  - Frozenlock 11y ago
    That doesn't answer my question.
  - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
    Just to be factual, China outside of Taiwan still lacks the ability/technology to fab a modern microprocessor using a competitive process. Fab technology is incredibly restricted, not just by governments but the companies themselves. China doesn't export CPU processors, they import from Intel like everyone else. I believe there is a fab in Singapore, but I'm not sure what generation they are at. There is a testing facility in chengdu, at least.
    - igravious 11y ago
      Intel, though globally important, are not the only game in town. This article suggests that there are numerous Chinese companies trying to make the grade: "Semiconductor Manufacturing International (SMIC), Shanghai Huali Microelectronics (HLMC), Shanghai HuaHong NEC Electronics Company (HHNEC), Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing and Advanced Semiconductor Manufacturing (ASMC)" http://qz.com/72542/china-just-surpassed-the-us-in-semiconductor-manufacturing-and-the-trend-is-likely-to-accelerate/ http://qz.com/72542/china-just-surpassed-the-us-in-semicondu... > "McKinsey’s proprietary research indicates that more than 50 percent of PCs, and between 30 and 40 percent of embedded systems (commonly found in automotive, commercial, consumer, industrial, and medical applications), contain content designed in China," http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/high_tech_telecoms_internet/semiconductors_in_china_brave_new_world_or_same_old_story http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/high_tech_telecoms_internet... > "Compared to 2008, consumption of semiconductor materials in North America is down $250 million to $4.74 billion, while in China consumption has shot up 42% to $5.07 billion."
l33tbro 11y ago
For me tiresome usually supercedes annoying. Oh, and how exactly is this sardonic racism? Genuinely curious.
girvo 11y ago
> I'm getting sick of the this sort of sardonic racism on HN, and it never gets called out. So am I, but your parent is not being sardonically racist at all.
fspeech 11y ago
Maybe it is racism, maybe not. But I do appreciate your speaking up. This kind of egotistical display is tiresome in a tech forum.

joonoro 11y ago

Why would the country that currently holds the world record on computing speed need "tech credibility?"

fspeech 11y ago
The parent post is rather ignorant in equating supercomputer with microprocessor.