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A few comments on this: First, as etendue says, it is not easy. The problem of mixing “Boolean” verification with probabilistic, less-deterministic verification is especially hard. I discussed this a bit in [1], if you care to take a look.
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Using Machine Learning to Verify Machine Learning?
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Using Machine Learning to Verify Machine Learning?
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Right. This paper ([0]) is actually mentioned in the DARPA BAA ([1]) as an example of a possible direction. A somewhat-similar scheme is [2]. Both seem to do some kind of sensitivity analysis, so as to show the user which parts of the input
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If there is real progress towards Explainable AI, this would also be very useful for _verifying_ machine-learning-based systems (i.e. finding the bugs in them). I wrote about this in [1], but I am not a machine-learning expert (I am coming
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Well yes, you _can_ verify ML-based systems (and I discuss briefly how in the linked article). It is just that this is much harder with such systems than with HW or SW systems for which "you have the source code". What I meant by
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Machine Learning Verification and Explainable AI
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I think this issue of "Explainable Machine Learning" and interpretability is just going to get more and more important as ML grows. It will also be important for verifying ML-based systems - another problem area. See [1] for a dis
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Machine Learning Verification and Explainable AI
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I like the idea of using fuzzing "to show a direct correlation between programs that score low in their algorithmic code analysis and ones shown by fuzzing to have actual flaws". I hope they'll use AFL, and publish the parame
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The Tesla crash, Tsunamis and spec errors
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Trying to understand automation and unemployment
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Finding bugs in autonomous vehicles
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Finding bugs in autonomous vehicles
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Automation and unemployment are coming, but I guess we’ll manage
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The next 20 years of automation
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The next 20 years of automation
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See also [2] for a description of the verification challenges of a fictitious (but informative) Amazon last-mile autonomous delivery vehicle. [2] https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/ftpdir/reports/2015/YCS/496/
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"Last mile" delivery may perhaps be done with much smaller, mostly-autonomous vehicles (with remote operators getting involved only when needed). See related article and thread in [1] - article also discusses some startup ideas fo
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The rise of mostly-autonomous systems
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The rise of mostly-autonomous systems
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Is a Universal Verification Framework possible?
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I think you are absolutely correct. It is the price/performance of creating these "interactive specs" that will determine whether this idea is any good. From what I have seen (I looked a bit at the what people are doing in UA
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Right. Cutting-edge military systems are, indeed, risky business, and one has to balance (as you say) more testing against not having those systems when you need them. This puts a high premium on the efficiency of bug-finding, especially sp
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Absolutely. What I meant was that there should have been some "are you sure" confirmation in this case.
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To me, the really-interesting question here is "How can we find such issues in the design before they hit". In the article, I explain why this is going to be a bigger problem in the near future, and speculate that some simulation-
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To Matthew Wilkes: It is true that in military situations the tradeoffs of safety vs. utility are quite different. However, I think this is one of those (many) cases where it is an "operator error" which a better design could have
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The archived Washington Post article is still here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130624110018/http:/www.gpsnavi...
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It’s the spec bugs that kill you
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