tonymet

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   by tonymet 5y ago

   Just wanted to say thanks for everyone who participated it was a really interesting discussion and example of “apologetics” bordering between religious and secular belief. I learned a lot from people. I saw a few comments interpreting the l
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   This 90% figure includes core beliefs of the world, right and wrong, history, epistemology and so on.
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   What bonafides are needed to think ?
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   But math isn't comprehensive in belief . It's universally true but only applied narrowly
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   This is academically true but not practically true. sure there are various secular ideologies in the wild, but due to globalized media & culture, you will generally find major and minor dominant ideologies ruling over you personally. Ov
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   I'm concerned of both aspects. For one, thinking that secular belief is essential or natural – as if it's defined only by the material world and observations on it. Secular belief also assumes its universal (why wouldn't it
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   Can you share profound beliefs that you don't believe are religious in nature? I know trivial beliefs e.g. today was 85º – we can agree that calling those religious would not be useful.
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   I think dying for your own children might be the only exception
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   by tonymet 5y ago

   I think in order to convince yourself to give your life for something, you have to have a religious belief in what you are making the sacrifice for (greater good, community, progeny, greatness of your leader, virtue of your country – or for
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    They can also be worshipped / loved. There could be rational worship & love e.g. loving your parents because they care for you and they have direct impact over your wellbeing. Irrational worship/ love is loving and icon or dem
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    I'm trying to convince secular people, especially atheists, that they are in every way religious. That most of their beliefs are taken on faith. They have a value system of virtue and vice (usually implied), and they have deities ( f
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Fair enough what's a better wording. I'm trying to convey the mental models that are more natural in the religious world and lacking in the secular world (outside of philosophy )
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    I literally mean a toolkit of mental models, like quantum physics vs classical. Believing one or the other doesn't make anyone better – they both have applications.
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    can you elaborate on this? This is the kind of philosophical analysis that I think most secular thinkers lack. I know there are rigorous atheists who are capable of understanding their ideology, but they are few
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    > Do you believe that becoming religious made you smarter / more aware As in it's equipped me with mental models to understand which components of secular life are acts of faith & ritual vs reason. > 'secular world&
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    I agree with you , and have been influenced by Zizek. We assume religions are primitive , but it’s likely that they are advanced stages of earlier ideologies. I’m expecting contemporary / secular ideology to evolve into a formal reli
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    You raised a good point about all belief vs religious belief. Which beliefs do you take on faith? Which would have you outcast if you didn’t believe them? Which lead you to a personal sacrifice? Which beliefs cause great anxiety or pleasure
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Did not intend to troll. The “cognitive tools” are the ability to discern which beliefs are religious in nature: taken on faith, ritualistic, ethical , etc. Again I’m not saying that religion is better or worse. Actually this is a defense
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Atheism believes in many gods
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Atheism is actually polytheistic. The Gods can be identified by answering these questions: “why am I here?”, “who am i?”, “what should I do?”, “what is true?”, “why should I suffer & die?”, “what will happen tomorrow?”, “who matters mor
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Let’s be honest, most people don’t have the time to weigh the evidence of say 90% of their beliefs. They go to school & watch television, and generally adopt the beliefs of their surroundings. And believing that religious believers acce
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Which person is more committed to a religion: someone who goes to a sermon 1 hr / week, or someone who watches the news for 3 hours / day? The news content will contain the same ideological elements of the sermon: where you come
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    > the secular world has many different people agreed and the world would be more navigable if they adopted distinct names, garb & beliefs the way the other religions did. If you think about it, every thanksgiving debate was really a
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    and I forgot two qualities that are both states of being & virtues: love & happiness.
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Money, medicine, “tolerance”, “racism”, politically incorrect language, natural selection, “the self,” public figures (CEOs, scientists, figureheads), celebrities, recycling, wearing masks, the super bowl, the oscars, the multiverse, the b
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Becoming more religious has helped me identify religious tendencies in the secular world. Ideology doesn’t imply supernatural deities, and some worldly phenomenon can be elevated to a supernatural level. Secular belief contains rituals, or
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    by tonymet 5y ago

    Also worth noting, compared to the 90s, bars are much wider (5+in ) , making it more dangerous: catch more vines and when you catch one, more leverage for a disaster.
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    by tonymet 6y ago

    I agree in part. I think we have a major weakness in general competence, resourcefulness, tenacity & technical ability that would be needed for a large segment of production– like your welding factory example. But much of the growth and
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    by tonymet 6y ago

    Wasn’t this the desired outcome ?
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    by tonymet 6y ago

    There is a superficial push to "get more people into STEM". But STEM is undermined by reducing competitiveness. What we are creating is a watered down and un-competitive STEM