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tharant
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Thank you! This information is the kind of information for which I’ve been searching. That said, l feel like there’s a mutual-exclusivity problem between ‘Start with the "Whole" Picture’ and ‘Break Down the Process’. For example,
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> That’s why we are seeing less and less innovation and diversity compared to the 1980s to around 2000 You think the pace of innovation has stalled and the tech industry is less diverse than it was 20-50 years ago? Really? Having cut my
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I feel like many of the commenters in this thread are asking (sometimes demanding) that their devices offer a duality that can’t be met; do you want smaller phones or do you want longer battery life with more compute? At the moment, those
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Ohh, that’d be awesome! Thank you! I’m krogfot at proton.me
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I’ve received this /exact/ same unhelpful response multiple times in other threads (from different users even; am I talking to deterministic bots here) so I’ll do the same by offering the response I gave others: “Since I’m dealing
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I care less that such prompting hacks/tricks are consistently useful; I care more about why they work. These hacks feel like “old-wives tales” or, as others have mentioned, “superstitious”. If we can’t explain why or how a thing works
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> Nobody really cares about code being good or bad, it's not prose. Yes, we do. Good code (which, by my definition, includes style/formatting choices as well as the code’s functionality, completeness, correctness, and, finally
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> There are systems that can do RAG for you My experience with Copilot (which is admittedly a few months outdated; I never tried Cursor but will soon) shows that it’s really good at inline completion and producing boilerplate for me but
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2y ago
While your comment is much more antagonistic and demeaning than I like to see on the posts of folks who are sharing their experiences or pet-projects, I do agree with the sentiment; I guess our definition on non-trivial is significantly dif
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I can too (probably; I don’t know enough about Rust) but the command line tools that I’ve tried to build in Python are severely limited in the scope of their capabilities. IOW, trying to generate or work with a non-trivial project has been
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> If I give it a really good explanation of what I want in code or even English, and ask it to do it another way or implement it with specific tools, I get pretty good output. I don’t get good output, not when trying to get code that mat
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The problem, at least for me, is that I feel like the product offerings suggested to us in other comments (not Claude/ChatGPT, but the third party tools that are supposed to make the models better at code generation) either explicitly
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> AI won't replace jobs; but someone who knows how to use it better will. So where do I go to learn how to use ‘em better? Or, at least, examples of what works so I can understand what I’m doing wrong?
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> they're there no less than they would be for a human's programming - and VERY likely no more. This is VERY different from my own experience. The bugs introduced by the code I’ve tried to generate via LLMs (Mostly Claude, som
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> As such, for one-shot apps like these there's a strict limit to how much you can get done purely though prompting in a single session. That’s an important detail that is (intentionally?) overlooked by the marketing of these tools.
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> Claude has the added benefit that you can yell at it, and it won’t hold it against you. Yet. I don’t look forward to the day these models are trained on all the context we’ve fed their predecessors; if AGI is possible, it’s gonna hate
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I appreciate your perspective and I don’t disagree with you entirely. I’ve worked in environments that struggle with putting religion before productivity and maintainability; the result is often painful. I’ve also worked in environments w
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An application powered by a single source file comprised of only 400 lines of code is, by my definition, trivial. My needs are more complex than that, and I’d expect that the vast majority of folks who are trying to build or maintain produ
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> It’s an approach similar to how I’ve dealt with junior devs in the past. Your experience with and approach to juniors is different than my own. I don’t ask juniors to write a single class file; I give them a design document, an API sp
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Glad to know I’m not the only one who has had difficulties getting reasonable Scala code from an LLM. While I agree that LSP integration would likely help with generating or debugging production-quality code, I’d also suggest that the need
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I keep seeing folks who say they’ve built a “full application” using or deeply collaborating with an LLM but, aside from code that is only purported to be LLM-generated, I’ve yet to see any evidence that I can consider non-trivial. Show me
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> This caught my eye and I’m genuinely curious about what you mean by it. Part of our success with Claude is that we don’t do abstractions, “perfect architecture”, DRY, SOLID and other religions Within my environment, some of those “reli
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Thank you! I have an ugly JS/content filter running that mogrifies some websites such that I miss the formatting completely; I didn’t recognize you had chat session content included on the page. That said, after looking at a couple of
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That gist is pretty close to what I’ve been looking for; thank you! Examples of a chat session that resulted in a usable project are /very/ helpful. Unfortunately, the gist demonstrates, to me at least, that the models don’t kno
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Goalposts shift; growth is critical to being (staying?) an intelligent species.
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> You'd be surprised how big the "(simple task) online" search query market is, and how much they are usually multi-visit monthly customers, and how much their ad space is worth. Not surprised at all; my inability to find
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> What, specifically, would pivot your pre-conceived notions? A live or unedited demonstration of how a non-trivial (doesn’t have to be complex, but should be significantly more interesting than the “getting started” tutorials that litte
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You’re probably right but I’m far more interested in seeing things like how you prompted the model to produce your audio tool’s code. Did you have a design doc or did you collaborate with the model to come up with a design and its implemen
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Indeed. I’ve yet to run across an actual demonstration of an LLM that can produce useful, non-trivial code. I’m not suggesting (yet) that the capabilities don’t exist or that everyone is lying—the web is a big place after all and finding
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Assuming you mean the paradigm often known as FP (which makes use of concepts from the Lambda Calculus and Category Theory) and languages like Scala and Haskell that support Pure FP, well… my experience in trying to get LLMs to generate non
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