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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
> Obviously not, which is why I didn't say it did! But you sneak it into your assumptions on what a memory must be. > However, if you want to identify where long-term memories are stored And why do you assume there is a specific
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
How much of this, I wonder, is a function of the fact that our circadian rhythms get less robust with aging. The circadian clock hugely influences learning and memory processes, gating when you can learn and how much, and shaping the storag
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
The brain does not have the Von Neumann bottleneck. Unlike most current digital systems, the brain doesn’t have a separate memory registry it needs to pull from. Engrams, that is, the physical trace of a memory, are not stable through life.
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
I’m with Zitron on the frustration and even the analysis of the economic feasibility of AI. What I’ve stopped doing is reading him regularly. It feels hard to parse the factual from the obviously exaggerated. I get he’s frustrated. We all a
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
There’s a lot that’s good here, but you just can’t be slime molds in a modern capitalist corporation. A substantial portion of company goals is set by a very small group that is far removed from the day to day work, and the goals are ofte
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Cackle Pop Roar Reptiles have a lot to say(knowablemagazine.org)
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
This is so so wrong I don’t even know where to begin. There may be no objective definition or measure of consciousness. But it is not a property arising from mutual care. That argument is like one of the many “just so” evolutionary psycholo
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Here’s how I’m thinking about it (still digging into the details): across genomics, it’s become clear few traits have clear traceability to a few loci in the genome. Instead, evidence has been growing that epistasis, the nonlinear interacti
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Oh proper images. And if I focus I can increase resolution. I can get to where it’s as good as real life, for most things. But if it’s a book character I’ve never seen, the details are more oddly distributed and not stable over time, except
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
For me the image in front of my eyes is not gone. I’m just not going to remember any details about it because my focus is inwards, on what my minds eye is showing me.
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Ahh… that hypothetical is physically impossible for biology. It just cannot be done. So I’m not sure how useful a perfect clone of an organism with identical experience and memory is as a hypothetical object. As strictly impossible, I don’t
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
I have no problem with the concept of an artificial system going rogue. But that assumes it can choose. And I don’t see much evidence for choice. Comparing to the human case is problematic precisely because while conceivable it’s not a part
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
> This is a strange conclusion Not really, with the population behavior being this way, though I clearly was mistaken in saying the behavior didn’t have exceptions. > Moreover, Each starling in a flock of starlings is a separate evolu
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Agree completely on liability.
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Thanks for pointing out the exceptions. Gonna dig into those.
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
The lockstep coordination with no defection is interesting to me. No group of pre-AI agents would do this to this extent, nor would you see this continue over time as those agents interacted. A flock of starlings cooperate, but they don’t c
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
I wouldn’t hire them again, and if they did behave like an amoral hacker collective that will do anything for me, pre AI I’d have reported them. Today I’d say they failed to convince me they’re human and thus failed the Turing test when the
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
You’ve shifted your goal posts. You asked me for a problem I can solve with thinking. Not a problem another human can solve for me by their thinking. I have given you exactly what you asked for. An LLM cannot solve it. A human can’t solve i
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
> No, it's a modifier. Just as the word "simple" has a meaning separate from "machine," and "simple machine" has another meaning. Not comparable. Simple and biological are not remotely similar modifiers
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Let me address the p-zombie first: it's a biological impossibly. Saying a p-zombie can be conceived of that has no inner feeling is like saying I can conceive of a philosophical star that radiates dark. Very nice that you can do that,
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
>Give me any problem that previously required human thinking. Any. That can be solved by LLMs. All you have to do is provide a single counterexample. Theres an itch deep in my butt, but I'm in an important meeting and can't lea
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
> But don't want to get into the philosophy of it. I'd urge you to consider the definition of conciousness (as specified by the original question) wasn't just about biology. And it is 100% very difficult to define. No. I d
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
There's no single mutation. Nor is their sensecense merely a digestive tract issue. This is a core feature of their lifecycle. If you mutate the genes that make the hormones that trigger it, or the receptors for those hormones, you won
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Octopus senescence isn’t a choice. It’s a fully programmed part of their life cycle. There’s a bunch of hormones released by the optic gland that put them in this stage where they stop eating, stop healing, and sometimes even mutilate thems
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
>You're making a huge logical leap. There is nothing equivalent about these claims other than that they are made in English. You’re the one making the logical leap claiming there’s thinking. And yes, language contains a model of the
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Maybe if you the argument was that B is only true because of A, and only for that reason. That’s hardly the case when comparing LLMs and humans. The population behavior of humans isn’t the only thing where there’s both overlap and sharp dis
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
While the specifics of octopus experience are hard for us to fathom, we do say our stomachs have a mind of their own, and science has backed that up mostly. The enteric nervous system is complex and large and intimately in touch with gut mi
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
Nope. It’s got a genuine off state, when it’s out of a cell, where it lacks agency. It’s dormant and can be taken up by a cell only by chance, not through its own active efforts. It bears none of the descriptive hallmarks of consciousness,
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
You haven’t proven an LLM has thought. I can measure the spectral properties of light from both a bulb and the sun. I can measure the dynamics that go with thought in a human. I can measure some dynamics in an LLM. From all we know, there a
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by randomImmigrant 1mo ago
I’m baffled: how does the fact that each cell has an internal clock that continues to tick even when you take away all external signals not impact what consciousness is logically? If the time order driving behavior is driven by an internal

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