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by pyman 1y ago
I can't access this site... it's behind a paywall
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by pyman 1y ago
Hey, I did some digging too (cough cough). Here's what I said on that thread: - Proven: BuilderAI collapsed after fabricating revenue. - Unsubstantiated: The rumour that 700 devs were the chatbot is false, not backed by evidence or ins
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by pyman 1y ago
Hmm, this is the reasoning of a kid: "You hire devs instead of using AI, therefore you are corrupt". More conspiracy theories. Based on what the article says, it was a dev shop like Infosys or any other Indian dev company, they we
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I would assume they were collecting data. If you're building a chatbot to talk to clients, you need all the transcripts from meetings, chat logs, project info, analytics, metrics, and so on. It's the only way to train your model p
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They don't know the difference between AI and ChatGPT
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The AI engineers were based in the UK and from what I've seen on LinkedIn many came from top unis. They're probably worth a 100x more than the builders. Not to mention their boss, who was a well know AI figure = $$$
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Boring fraud VS Wild AI hype - Proven: Builder.ai collapsed after fabricating revenue. - Unsubstantiated: The claim that Indian coders disguised as AI is mostly hearsay, not backed by documents or insiders [1]. - Marketing vs reality: They
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Small correction: automation combined with machine learning is considered AI. So the 60% was probably referring to the amount of code (templates, components, etc) they were reusing.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to. I don't think you understand the difference between automation, traditional AI, and generative AI. Back in 2019, when someone said part of an app was built "autonomously", it u
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Why would you come to that conclusion? Its really not that hard to understand. They already had a library of templates, modules, components, and existing code, which they were likely reusing. According to their website, their virtual assist
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The founder was named UK Entrepreneur of the Year in 2024 by Ernst & Young, a company that also has a strong focus on AI research (some of my students work there). They do proper research before giving out an award. Going back to your q
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Yes, round-tripping is considered fraud in business. The CEO and CFO committed fraud. That has been proven, and there is no doubt about it. But the article also claims they misled investors about the technology they were using, and that par
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I agree, it's confusing. It looks like marketing was throwing numbers around without really explaining what they meant. Automation is definitely not AI. Maybe the 60% referred to reusable code, or a theme, or a template that was handed
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by pyman 1y ago
Thanks for clarifying that. Here's the thing. The website doesn't say that 80% of the code was created using AI. That's what the fake article claims. What the site actually says is: --- Natasha is your AI product manager. Usi
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The CEO and CFO committed fraud. That has been proven and there is no doubt about it. But you are not going after them. You are accusing the Head of AI of lying. This is someone who spent seven years at Amazon, led the AI department, and is
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by pyman 1y ago
Thanks for sharing this inside information. It's really helpful and gives me (and others researching this case) a better understanding of what was happening behind closed doors. I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind: 1.
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Well, it's an India-based company. If you check LinkedIn, most of the employees are based in India. The issue here is that many people think AI only means LLMs, Transformers, or GenAI. But AI has been around for decades and includes ma
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Here we go again. We're amplifying accusations from pseudo blogs with little credibility, and spreading rumours in a forum where most of us are AI/ML engineers, researchers, founders, and university professors. We should know bett
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There's no evidence for that. It's very easy to write in a blog post "they told me" or "an engineer said". Why don't they contact the Head of AI, Craig Saunders (ex-Director of Amazon AI), and ask him dire
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The news about BuilderAI using 700 devs instead of AI is false. Here's why. I've seen a lot of posts coming out of India claiming "we were the AI". So I looked into it to see if Builder AI was lying, or if this was just
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BuilderAI never actually told customers that development was done using AI, that's something people made up after the company went bust. If you look at their website (builder.ai), they explain that their virtual assistant "Natasha
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I get what you are saying, but you're missing the most important piece of the puzzle: the data. Everyone talks about models and infrastructure, but without the right data, you've got nothing. And that's where the biggest hidd
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I understand where you're coming from, but we need to stick to the facts. If there are no court cases, we can't imply that fraud was committed. We don't know what kind of agreements were in place, why the money was being tran
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I agree. But using the "your data is secure" analogy, BuilderAI never actually told customers that development was done using AI, that's something people made up. If you look at their website (builder.ai) they explain that th
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The short answer is no, their website doesn't claim that development is done using AI. My gut feeling is that a lot of people, including developers, are posting hate messages and spreading fake news because of their fear of AI, which t
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Just to play the devil's advocate: if a software company tells you your data is secure and then someone hacks their server and steals your photos and personal data, did their CEO and marketing department oversell their level of securit
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I couldn't find any reference on the BuilderAI website claiming they use GenAI to build software. So the second claim lacks evidence. Update: They mention AI to assemble features, not to generate code. So it's impossible to know w
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Completely different story. With Theranos the investors sued the founders, with Builder AI they didn't. This suggests they knew what was really going on, so it wasn't fraud in their eyes.
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Theranos was dealing with people's health. Misdiagnoses, delayed treatments, etc, that's real harm. Imo, comparing that to building web apps isn't the same.
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Just to clarify: I said "pre-trained foundation model". LLMs are a type of foundation model, but not all foundation models are LLMs. What Builder.ai was building with Natasha sounded more like a domain-specific assistant, not a ge

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