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So what you are saying is that we should let poor people pay more taxes instead? Because that is what abolishing corporate profit tax comes down to. The only substantial tax most states have are consumer taxes, and we all know that these ta
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I love how people try to downplay the things corporations do. "Oh, it's not tax evasion, it's tax avoidance!" And now "oh, it's not tax avoidance, it's tax-friendly jurisdictions". Let's just agr
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Which would be a shit-ton of money with their current tax "avoidance" schemes.
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Clojure doesn't even have types. I think the languages aren't really comparable from a maturity and support pov. Clojure is mainly done by hobbyists and enthusiasts. There is a large gap in terms of tooling that can't be clos
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And if you scroll up, you'll see that this wasn't me. I don't have issues with Haskell-inspired constructs, I have issues with Haskell-inspired behavior.
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I have no idea what you are even trying to argue. Why would they create cats while they still had hope to save scalaz from its community? No need to spin some crazy conspiracy. > you apparently dislike the people involved LOL WTF? That g
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This desperate rewriting of history is one if the reasons why large parts of the Scala community are happy to get rid of these nutjobs. They need to move their lazy asses to Haskell and start fixing and implementing the tooling there instea
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I'll be so happy when scalaz has finally gone the way of Lift.
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Scala is consistently #15 or #16 in various measurements. Just not in TIOBE as they decided to use the wrong search terms to look for, so TIOBE doesn't provide useful information in this case.
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Yes there are plenty. The correct order of type declarations just ties in with the better syntax for generics and leads to an easier to read, more consistent language.
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Scala seems to be vastly more expressive while simultaneously having only 20% of C#'s feature set.
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The great about types in Scala is that complex solutions to complex problems can be contained and don't infect the rest of the codebase. The average programmer can enjoy completely consistent names and signatures across different libra
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Maven Central says it's around 4.4MB (with some things still pending to be dropped before the release of the final version)[1]. [1] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.scala-lang/scala-libr... I would disa
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Plus, it would look very poorly in court if trolls would be caught doing this. So maybe instead of not letting them join, show them that they "joined", but don't show them any relevant information?
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I kind of wonder how these points are true today vs. 10 years ago ... * It also compiles to Scala.js (it's actually the independent best compile-to-JS language out there in terms of libraries, tooling and IDE support). Support for comp
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Jesus Christ, don't be so salty.
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> with far less of the "type system" enforced by the compiler and almost all of it in our heads That's why reasonable people want to have good type systems: People who think that they can keep the type system in their head
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> doesn't natively support dependent types Well, it does.
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I think ML-family is fine. Scala is much closer to ML than what people sort into the Algol-family or C-family groups.
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That's nonsense. I think it's great that outside contributions (like allowing the use of the Scala's CI infrastructure) are valued, but the actual commits show a clear picture. There is no determination in failing to get anyt
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Scala.js was largely done by a single student on top of his other university duties. I think it's mostly down to determination. Some things are hard, but need to be done. Haskell people just seem to give up more easily - see all the ha
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Well, Scala.js went from not existing to rock solid in 3 years. The various Haskell-to-JS efforts existed much longer, but none have the support, completeness and maturity of Scala.js.
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The main difference is that Scala.js people sat down and did all the painstaking work, while Haskell devs spent the time talking how intellectually superior the are and got nothing done.
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Roughly none of those points are true (anymore).
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The huge difference is that Scala.js is production-ready, the other ones mentioned aren't.
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I understand that you are trying to play semantics here, but in this case it doesn't work. You can't BUILD an implementation of Java, because "Java" is defined by "passes the Java conformance tests". You can bu
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Thanks! What the hell are you doing that you experience issues this often? :-)
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Thanks! SI-1503 should warn in 2.12, additional progress might happen in https://github.com/scala/scala/pull/5310 .
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Great, thanks!
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Sorry, but no. None of them can passed the JCK, which is a requirement to certify a Java implementation.
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