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by oleganza 13y ago
I think it's not an exaggeration that most of the people are exposed to state propaganda (or excuses for the state) since the very beginning. Most of people are educated in government schools where no teacher would seriously talk about
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by oleganza 13y ago
You know, it's not me who must provide a proof that "state is bad". It's other people who should prove how a construction called constitution + law + police + voting justifies violence of the police, soldiers and priso
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by oleganza 13y ago
It's no suprise since people are educated in government schools in their most crucial period of life. They are educated by state-licensed radio, television and newspapers. By state-approved books on the bookshelves of a state-approved
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by oleganza 13y ago
Even if it could, is it a justification for it? I think government is only possible when many believe it's good. It's not only raw violence. If people see violence they don't like it. That's why government tries hard hid
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by oleganza 13y ago
I'm not advocating any right to property or self defence. I and you and many other people simply choose to live peacefully around people sharing same views on what's okay and what's not. And use peaceful methods to prevent vi
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by oleganza 13y ago
There are plenty of ways and you use them everyday(1). But my point is that it does not matter. If you cannot figure out how to protect yourself and you suggest me to follow your gun (or some representitive's of yours), then it'
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by oleganza 13y ago
As I said in other threads, existence of things does not justify itself. The fact that majority of people can force anyone in minority to comply does not say anything about morality. I point out that people tell themselves that it is okay
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by oleganza 13y ago
First, it's an assertion without a proof. Second, in other words you say "I don't know how to protect myself against random violence without centralized violence, I will advocate imposing that violence on everyone around.&quo
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by oleganza 13y ago
Could you please expand? Do I make a crime anywhere here? In legal framework or in the framework of your own ethics.
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by oleganza 13y ago
Existence of things is not a justification for them. There is always theft and rape and lies around us. But we don't justify them just because we see them. Only some moral justification gives government huge size and power. People bel
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by oleganza 13y ago
Note: anyone who comes with "privilege of citizenship" argument (or "property rights are only defined within a government") already uses some moral theory. So it's better to ask for explanation what this theory mea
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by oleganza 13y ago
"The guns are there to protect the democratic system" You have just presented a justification for guy A killing guy B for now forking over his part of income to guy C. Now you need to decipher "democratic system" and wha
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by oleganza 13y ago
Fair enough.
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by oleganza 13y ago
One thing is the reality, another thing is justification for it. Government, rape and theft exist. We cannot get rid of them, we can protect ourselves. That's reality. But we don't derive moral justification from reality. Theft do
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by oleganza 13y ago
I live in Paris. My comment is extra-relevant because in every discussion of something that government does "wrong" people miss the big picture. The problem is not in some particular "bad action", but in concentration
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by oleganza 13y ago
You seem to hide an answer to my simple question into "go read these sophisticated books". Again: if I simply don't agree with you and don't give you a penny from my peaceful income, will you point a gun at my head? Will
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by oleganza 13y ago
You didn't answer my question. How I "fuck things up" exactly? Laws don't kill, right. People do. I point out that people kill only because they believe that law is "good". I point out that assumption and highl
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by oleganza 13y ago
People will reply to you: "But look, government also does nice things: educates, provides care etc". My point: it all does not matter in the slightest. If you enjoy something government does, that's great. Good for you. I wil
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by oleganza 13y ago
It does not matter how you call it: "private" or "public". It's paid from the same source covered by "patriotic" propaganda. Can you show me those private Bob and Alice from Arizona and Texas who invest in
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by oleganza 13y ago
It's offensive on your part to call my reaction knee-jerk. It's not me who is holding a gun. It's not me who educates your children and gives out licenses for radio, TV, internet service providers and satellites. Suppose we
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by oleganza 13y ago
How exactly can I "fuck it up" if I simply refuse to participate in someone's schemes and refuse to violently intervene in anyone's affairs (unless I have no choice in self defense, but I don't justify violence in s
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by oleganza 13y ago
If it's not mature, what's you suggestion? "There are evil violent people in the world. To protect from them we must allow violence only to a selected group of people and disallow to everyone else." I wonder who will end
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by oleganza 13y ago
I have my own theory of ethics in line with what Stefan Molyneux describes in his UPB (universally preferable behaviour). But I don't wave it in the face of others because it's pointless. I'm voluntarist. Don't like&#x2F
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by oleganza 13y ago
Things will start shifting when people understand that "legitimate" and "illegitimate" labels are irrelevant. Government is just a privileged group of people with a monopoly on violence. It is an institute of violence. A
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by oleganza 13y ago
See my comment below. I don't advocate any definition of "ownership". Call it however you want. It is you, not me who is using those concepts when you tell me that some group of people have some sort of agreement by which I m
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by oleganza 13y ago
Just to make it clear: I am not advocating any definition of justice or theory of property rights. What is "legitimate" in one place can very well be illegitimate in another. And it has nothing to do with mine or yours personal et
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by oleganza 13y ago
So you can point out legitimate owners of the soil? Was there a contract among some folks? Maybe you have some theory of property rights. I'd be very interested to hear it and see how consistent it is. Btw, slavery once was legal too.
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by oleganza 13y ago
I do not describe how people should or should not live. I only expose violence when they try to hide it. Of course, human nature is not perfect and of course there will always be bad guys, people believing in gods, socialism, nationalism, t
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by oleganza 13y ago
Look into your own words and try to decipher them one by one: "Government is accountable, mostly democratically controlled power." What is "government" in practice? What does it mean to be "accountable" in prac
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by oleganza 13y ago
Who should investigate this? The same government guys? Will you trust this investigation? Private investigators? Will multi-layered bureaucracy let any outsider to just go in and look into papers? Or you suggest going to congress and mr. pr

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