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Pretty sure you were a victim of a criminal nexus that formed to take advantage of the laws, the machinery of the state, and private providers. Just like the (juvie) court-to-prison-pipelines that we hear about every once in a while. What s
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> A more accurate statement is "the Police exist to protect and serve whatever system perpetuates the Police". If you're a rich and you donate to police causes, suck up to their members, agree with their politics, and gene
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4y ago
> If they have to pay 15$ they will hire better educated, closer geographically and culturally workers. 1. For a minimum wage temporary job that doesn't need better educated, geographically or culturally closer workers? And for whic
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4y ago
The $15 is external too. OpenAI should have paid $15/hr for the work, not exploited them by paying only $2/hr. Why is it exploitative? Because the money (OpenAI, "Capital") can move across borders easily to get cheaper c
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4y ago
> No. They would get nothing instead. What's your basis for this claim? Or is it simply that is how it is structured in your hypothetical without regard to reality? > I totally agree that 15$ would be likely better for them. But
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4y ago
Do actual scientists hang out here on HN in strength? It seems to be mostly a mix of technologists, startup-types and adjacents/aspirants.
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4y ago
There's a lot of hustle involved with startup culture and corporate work. I think the pandemic laid bare a lot of the bs around corporate messaging in general, everyone has read all about the bulk of the pie going to very few people in
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> The key quote I see in a lot of these stories is "change the culture" and it seems the decision to change the culture from what got you there to something else is done entirely without understanding what the current culture a
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4y ago
A CEO, a Politician, a Supreme Court justice, a Cop, a Laborer and an Immigrant are at a table. The table has 20 cookies. The CEO takes 19 cookies, and passes one cookie to the Politician's PAC. The Politician says to the Laborer "
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It seems to be the general trend - HP, Google being the poster companies for this - post-founder companies seem to lose their soul altogether, if they had one to start with. I wonder if that is because the skills and values needed to climb
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4y ago
Yes, because they would be getting $15 jobs instead of $2 jobs. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand, that the Kenyans getting $15 is better than them getting $2. You are acting against the Kenyans' interest if y
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4y ago
Mr. Bright, are you hawking coffee shops again ;-) [1] A bit reductive, innit? :-) 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34542692
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4y ago
Replying here because it looks like responses to the GP comment are closed. I just realized something amusing in Walter Bright's arguments. It started as: > There are lots of small business coffeeshops. They aren't terribly har
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4y ago
Just so we're clear - I'm not arguing that the Kenyans should not be offered the jobs, I'm arguing that they should have been paid at least $15/hr - that's what equal-pay-for-equal-work means. That they were paid on
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You were poor once, but you are not poor now. I also don't see you stepping up to be that someone that you asked me to be. And it's a bit rich, accusing me of "high morals" (clearly a pejorative in this context) while at
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4y ago
LibreOffice is a good example.
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>But in this context as an analogy it's seeing a poor starving man eating a rat to survive. You basically want to take the rat away from him and shout "don't eat that! 'Someone' should give him a chicken!" &
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In that case, I apologize. I mistook genuine questions for obtuseness and the typical misdirectional hand-waving. With this new insight let me try again. You are right, I agree that as a policy equal-pay-for-equal work will indeed lead to a
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Since you are so interested in reducing poverty and improving economic outcomes for those people abroad, what percentage of your first-world income/wealth are you sending to these impoverished regions? And for comparison, how does that
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4y ago
Lovely! Have an upvote, such as it is!! It is rare to see such a complete demolition of an argument or the real-time validation of that demolition through the rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me reaction to it!!!
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An astute observation. I had a good chuckle. Thank you!
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that were first thrust into poverty to start with by a different system of exploitation. I have to admire the beauty of this argument as it has occurred over time - let's exploit them using force and make them poor (enriching ourselves
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Ah yes, the timeless principle of I have not, therefore others must have not. Is that the basic crux of the argument you are making? Or did I misunderstand? If I may point out, the argument (upholding the system) appears to be structured ar
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It's not; the standard is what is that job worth to the company? If exploitable low-cost Kenyans were not available, what would these companies pay? I can't tell you that, but I can tell you it is not $2/hr.
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These are straw-man arguments [1]. Nice try. The original argument is equal-pay-for-equal-work and these are all arguments for why unequal-pay-for-equal-work is justified, or why much lower lifespans in Africa justify reducing the lifespans
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Past the limit to edit or delete, so a clarification is in order: "Europeans" is too generic and collectivizes blame, which is not my intent and would be unfair. Please read this as edited below. Lesson learned! -+-+-+ Equal pay f
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> The hypocrisy is to pretend it is concern about exploiting poor people while actually it's about protecting own high wages. Just so I don't misunderstand, are you suggesting that equal-pay-for-equal-work is about protecting h
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4y ago
Prove it. Walk away from your wealth, take a job as an hourly worker in a coffee shop, live as they do, start with the zero assets that a typical coffee shop worker has, make no use of your connections or wealth for the duration of the expe
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You are right - equal pay for equal work is an easy concept to understand - it is basic fairness. Instead, Africans are played off against local labor groups and it leads to structural imbalances like women still being paid only 82 cents on
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Equal pay for equal work is not a hard concept to understand - it is basic fairness. Deriding advocates of this as "SJW in SF or NY" or "self-anointed do-gooders" indicates a lack of empathy, lack of thought around the b
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