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I've used Django for a long, long time (since 0.96). Django is great for backend stuff, but nowadays for full stack applications (if you're not doing an SPA) I find Laravel and Rails a lot better. In particular Laravel's temp
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Full stack frameworks such as Rails, Laravel and to a lesser extent Django (because the frontend part of it is inexistent) are what we need for 90% of the cases. The other 10% being offline first apps, and extremely highly interactive apps
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I've definitely seen this happening more than once, so to me this is a thing for real. The people you you'd want to stay leave, and the people you'd want to leave stick forever.
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From my point of view, Unpoly is just more "full stack" than the others. You have the functionality of several of the others in one single package, plus awesome things such as automatic loading indicator (turbolinks style), very g
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If we're talking about inspiration, then maybe it goes the opposite way? Given Turbolinks existed many years before even elixir or phoenix existed. In fact the creator of elixir was a very prominent rails dev. But I insist, they have a
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I do! Backend: - Huey for background jobs - Whitenoise for statics handling - Gunicorn for running the application - Honcho for process management (also for development, for spawning js and css bundling) - Slippers for django te
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I'm a big fan of Unpoly. Pretty similar to Htmx. Unpoly just fits my brain better. https://unpoly.com/
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> With Golang, you actually don't need a mega framework to get started You just need to build it from scratch, document it and ensure it is well tried and tested. "mega frameworks" are there for a reason. Rails, Django, La
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> It’s what rails copied for the Hotwire stuff It is not. From the outside the end result for the user might be similar, but that's where the similarities end. Elixir's LiveView what I assume you're talking about keeps st
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Yes, but just because marketing.
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You can consider yourself a recovered person then.
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Not full circle...this is more like an 8 shaped thing, and with this we're right at the wrong extreme right now in my opinion.
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I think in an SPA, traditional form posts and server redirects are a terrible idea. This might work for q blog post example, but imagine doing a full reload just because you liked a post or a comment.
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Wow! They reinvented form POSTs and server redirects!!!111 You've got to be kidding me.
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Well... if the actual Open Source work you do is in your day job except that instead of committing to the internal codebase you commit in your own packages all day and then update the dependency in the project, I don't think you need t
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> I wonder how many jobs they’ve applied to while bragging about their millions of monthly NPM downloads. I used to work for a company where it was ok (managers won't say anything, even if explicitly pointed at the situation) to re
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Yeah, now add state management, event handling, side effects and performance optimizations and come back with your example. You're just comparing syntax. This is very naive.
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I just don't get people complaining of trivial or superficial stuff such as how to do ifs, loops or binding handlers. When the most important part of these tools are the architecture, the trade offs, the state managements, the tools, t
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Yeah, I really like the middle ground approach, but having tried almost everything in the category, my favourite by a long margin is Unpoly.
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I've used React extensively, and now I'm about into 1 year of Vue 2 with Nuxt after having switched jobs. My gripes with Vue are: - Despite they say it is not a "Python 2 to 3 like" situation, it is. Every library you fi
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It looks great, and very professional. I'm impressed. Did you build it yourself? Because it honestly looks like a full blown company had built it by how good it looks from the outside. If so, you're a f**g machine!! Congrats.
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We seem to agree. I'm not saying React's approach isn't justifiable. It is what it is for reasons. I just don't agree all that complexity is worth when you need to ship things fast with a decent robustness and performanc
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Yes, clearly it is not for purists.
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The complexity and the over engineering going on, mostly. Things such as redux, rxjs, observables, thunks, etc really put me off when you compare that to just MVC with Rails for example, plus most applications I worked with React were just
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It is really worth it. Svelte is sooooo much better than React. Believe me, I was one of the skepticals about the entire SPA thing but after trying Svelte I think my problem was with React, not with the concept per se.
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New insult for PMs: You're worse than NPM's progress bar!!
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I've been pretty skeptical about SPAs but having tried out Svelte for a few side projects, I have to admin I was probably directing my skepticism to the wrong thing, probably React was the cause of my dislike for SPAs. Svelte looks rea
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Except they also add tons of overhead which also makes everything go slower, including that meeting to discuss why we go so slow.
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What other feasible/realistic cleaner alternatives do you propose?
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Problem is that the alternatives, even done right, are worse.
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