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Seems like that is set to become a reality thankfully https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/26/apple_ios_browser/ Frankly, I think it’s either the worlds biggest coincidence or the only reason we are seein
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4y ago
Weren’t all of the sites offline gas?
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4y ago
You seem to be conflating your personal experience here with everything happening around you which as you rightly point out is absolutely filled with this ever moving target that is absolutely impenetrable to beginners. The React ecosystem
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It doesn’t actually do it well and has been totally out of step with how modern browsers work for years now. It’s old and poorly made technology. The fact that it chose to do one thing and it can’t even get that right says a lot about it. S
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This is basically gaslighting. F/E churn is still wild. I’m staring at an article right now titled the top 14 react libraries you must try in 2020. That’s not a normal thing for a ten year old framework.
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For what it’s worth CSS is all I knew prior to Flutter so the learning curve was a bit weird initially but once you start matching concepts you already know like Flutter also has “flexbox” for example it was pretty easy from there. Also hav
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This is the entire reason for Node's existence no? Nobody who was in the backend space prior to it's arrival was in anyway excited about JS running in their servers. Node however allowed people with only front end experience to ma
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4y ago
Just as an FYI that is how the official web spec works https://wicg.github.io/aom/spec/ I'm going off of memory here but I think it's approximately correct. They were playing around with the idea for a w
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Thought this link might actually be more helpful by the way if you're interested but Dart team does all of their language design in the open on Github which is pretty cool and also gives you a lot of context about how things end up the
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I think this might be a bit of an outlier honestly. Reading the bug report my takeaways were the following: 1. Here is a specific issue we ran into which to be fair is unacceptable in terms of perf but a blinking cursor in an otherwise idle
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4y ago
Politely, I would point out that the makers of Ubuntu have said that as far as they are concerned Flutter is the future of desktop app development on Linux and all their projects moving forward will be using it by default because they belie
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4y ago
I think this assumption that cross platform UI solutions can’t be extremely fast is a very strange one. There have been some bad efforts at this in the past which is maybe how you arrived at the conclusion but the concept of Flutter is pret
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4y ago
For the record Dart has something extremely similar to the Closure compiler built with the same ideas and similar performance AFAIK. It’s totally fine, impressive even and currently runs the code producing the majority of their revenue via
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4y ago
The answer to both of these things is the accessibility object model. You weren’t wrong historically but you aren’t right currently. Flutter web including the canvas rendering option has proper accessibility as of today AFAIK.
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They are building pattern matching as we speak for what it’s worth. One of the main people designing it is in this thread talking about it.
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Came here to say this also. You can pretty easily replicate the Heroku workflow with Buildpacks and cloud run and end up with a much better service in the process.
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This wasn’t anything to do with Futter for the record and they even called it out in a quote saying that they continue to recommend Flutter in that article.
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4y ago
Not sure if you’re new to the Flutter / Dart ecosystem but one of the nice advantages that comes as a side effect of having “Google scale” backing it is how nice the upgrade experience is. Generally you just run a single command of dar
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4y ago
You seem to have a lot of very strongly held opinions in this thread that aren’t backed up by any evidence other than your personal opinion. It’s clear that Flutter wasn’t for you for whatever reason and you seem to love Iconic which is gre
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4y ago
SEO is important for websites which for the record you 100% should not use Flutter for. Flutter is a great fit for applications which (and I say this as someone who did SEO for fortune 500s for many years) aren’t really all that relevant fo
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Believe it’s a work in progress https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-...
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I’m not sure what you think cloud functions runs on under the hood? But it’s cloud run. You said there were no good backend solutions for serverless functions and I’m telling you that is incorrect. I’ve done a bunch myself, it was actually
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If I’m wrong then I’m happy to admit it. I don’t follow that ecosystem closely and was only going off a few old blog posts I remember and everyone making a big deal of it at the time.
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Yes, of course, everyone who disagrees with me is just an idiot who doesn’t know better. Excellent discourse.
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I’m betting on Flutter web across a 2-3 year timeframe but none of the things I’ve listed there are conceptual ideas that are only going to land in the distant future. WebGPU and WasmGC are both already implemented in most browsers and are
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The Facebook app is not written in React Native. They tried it and famously abandoned it no?
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One anecdote that I find compelling here is looking at how each of the parent companies think of them. The majority of Google’s revenue is directly tied to their Ads platform. Their mobile app is written in Flutter and the web interface is
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Here’s one from Google https://pub.dev/packages/functions_framework
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Take a look at this video from the team that talks about this exact topic. After watching it initially it became very obvious to me why and I agree it was the right choice https://youtu.be/J5DQRPRBiFI
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FWIW I kind of agree and I’m a big fan of both Flutter and the web in general. There are a couple of web platform technologies that I think are going to take Flutter web from ok to great in the next year or two including. WASM Garbage Colle
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