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kentonv
1mo ago
The CEO's antics, no matter how disturbing, simply aren't most people's top concern when making a product choice. This may seem crazy to the hyper-political crowd but most people really do not see themselves as being part of
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kentonv
1mo ago
"Long abandoned" is a fair characterization of Sandstorm. There is a loyal community of enthusiasts trying to keep it alive, but realistically not a lot of progress has been made. (Though, AI has helped them make more progress lat
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kentonv
1mo ago
Current status explained here: https://sandstorm.io/news/2024-01-14-move-to-sandstorm-org
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kentonv
1mo ago
Also: https://capnweb.com/ (shameless plug)
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kentonv
2mo ago
Thanks!
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kentonv
2mo ago
The AI-authored apps aspect is obviously something that Sandstorm didn't have. But Cloudflare OS also supports a concept of "blueprints", where, once you've built your app, you create a "blueprint" (a copy of t
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kentonv
2mo ago
We (Cloudflare OS) run an app's client-side code in a null-origin iframe sandbox that is denied access to everything that we can possibly deny access to. Its only communication line to the outside world is via a Cap'n Web RPC sess
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kentonv
2mo ago
FWIW none of Cloudflare's marketing material mentions the Sandstorm connection, it was something I said in personal tweets: https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572
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2mo ago
For the record. I am the lead engineer on Cloudflare OS (and Cloudflare Workers). I am also the creator of Sandstorm.io. And I'm the one calling it a successor. Wasn't some marketing decision -- that's directly from me. Hones
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kentonv
2mo ago
Eh? Why do you feel it's inaccurate to call it a successor to sandstorm.io?
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2mo ago
> Scientists, perhaps less so. I disagree. In fact, I find people who think of themselves as highly rational seem to be particularly prone to rationalization. Because being rational is integral to their whole identity, they are much more
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2mo ago
> It's a statistical model with useful emergent properties. It doesn't think, it doesn't reason, it isn't aware of facts or the rules of logic. What makes you so sure your own brain doesn't work the same way?
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kentonv
2mo ago
Tangent: This is often true of humans as well. We often make a decision based on a gut feeling, and then backfill a logical reason supporting our feeling, without even realizing we're doing it -- rationalization.
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kentonv
2mo ago
It means you can deploy it in your own Cloudflare account, as opposed to it being a service provided by the developer. But also, the Cloudflare Workers Runtime is open source, so you could deploy it or your own machines, too, if you want:
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2mo ago
Only if you know what it means. To many people these suffixes are gibberish. Also ollama doesn't actually show that suffix in its model index. Don't say "don't use ollama", you sound like a Linux user telling people
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2mo ago
Oh! I think I missed that and assumed it wasn't because it performed similarly to the dense models. Interesting!
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2mo ago
Coincidentally I've been playing with small (~30B) self-hostable models for coding tasks today -- specifically plugging them into Cloudflare OS (which I work on) and asking each to build a collaborative whiteboard. I'm finding tha
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2mo ago
Thought experiment: Let's imagine that we actually just want to build a product that provides value to customers. No tricks up our sleeves. What would we have done differently in that case?
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kentonv
2mo ago
To be fair the readme is pretty clear that this is "early access" and still in a state of rapid development.
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kentonv
2mo ago
It does not cost $2m of compute to run an instance of Cloudflare OS. I am running it on a random server in my basement.
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kentonv
2mo ago
We're adding an update function. Didn't need it yet on day one. :)
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2mo ago
You are reading WAY too much into it. We aren't that clever about naming at Cloudflare. Do you know how we named Wrangler, our local dev tool for Workers? Literally, the person that created it said: "I named this Wrangler because
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2mo ago
You can self-host using workerd. But I'm certainly not claiming that this alone is sufficient to comply with regulations. I have no idea.
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2mo ago
Yeah sorry, only the providers I listed are supported right now. We'll be widening support soon.
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2mo ago
Always! https://www.cloudflare.com/careers/jobs/?department=Emerging...
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kentonv
2mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmS5s6Wbin4 -- Talk / demo I gave at AI Engineer World's Fair last month. (Final branding was still in flux at the time so it is presented as "Gadgets".)
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2mo ago
Honestly, you wouldn't want to run our internal implementation -- it's far too complicated. Unless you have 100+ datacenters around the world -- then maybe. The goal of this new design is to scale to a cluster while being operatio
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2mo ago
workerd stand-alone is designed to work well at small-medium scale. If we open sourced Cloudflare's production scheduler, nobody would be able to use it because it is explicitly designed for HUGE, globe-spanning scale. Well, nobody exc
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2mo ago
Yeah, I checked that in intentionally. I've started checking in plans under `plans/` so that people can see the plan during code review, and also so I can refer to it when I prompt agents about things related to the plan. My usual
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2mo ago
The idea is actually supposed to be that Cloudflare OS is Cloudflare's internal instance, but when you deploy it for your own company, you call it "<your company> OS". The product name and logo are configurable in the a
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